Jannat ul Baqi

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  1. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Active Member

    there is a story like this in allama arshadul qadris 'lalazar'
  2. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    I heard from a Alim e Deen that for those who in their lives pray for death in Madina but they die elsewhere, then their bodies will be removed from their own graves by the Angels to a grave in Baqiy Sharif. The body of the Disbeliever will be removed from this grave in Baqiy Sharif and then the body of the believer will be placed in it. Allahu Alim
  3. Saeed Malik

    Saeed Malik Active Member

  4. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    is there any concept/hikayat of bodies being shifted out of graves to another location by angels? i think iv'e read something of this sort somewhere....
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i prefer to call it baqiy until we have an example from our elders who also called it jannatu'l baqiy. if anyone comes across such an example, please post it here.
  6. Saeed Malik

    Saeed Malik Active Member

    Few ignorant people object Ahlus sunnah when we call the blessed maqam as Jannat ul Baqi on the basis that Mushrikeen/Munafiqeen are also buried there.

    Destination Of A Deobandi/Wahhabi(Gustakhe-Rasool), Mushrikeen and Munafiqeen Buried In Jannat Al Baqi

  7. Saeed Malik

    Saeed Malik Active Member

    JazakAllahu khair!

    MashAllah! this is very informative.

    InshAllah! will keep sharing related information to the topic as and when i get more details.
  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i did not say that calling it jannatu'l baqiy is a sin or something like that - just letting you know that in my meagre knowledge, and the little what i have read, ulama have mentioned baqiy as only that. i checked a number of books - histories of madinah, sirah books, manasik - and invariably, they refer to the place as baqiy or baqiy al-gharqad. i checked persian/urdu books and manuals like jazb al-qulub of shah abdu'l Haq and bahar e shariat / anwar al-bisharah and mawlana naqi ali khan's jawahiru'l bayan fi asrari'l arkan. please correct me if i have missed it, but i didn't see jannat and only baqiy or ahl e baqiy here.

    the closest to 'jannat' is a comment we find in wafa'a of samhudi [d.911] that the enclave where mothers of believers are buried was called: 'rawDah ummuhat al-mu'minin' and close to it is the 'rawDah aqeel'. he quotes ibn jubayr mentioning in his travelogue as:
    "the rawDah of aqeel, and the rawDah of mother's of believers..

    ...and facing it a short patch of verdant land (rawDah) in which three children of the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam rest. and behind it is the rawDah of `abbas ibn `abd al-muTTalib.."
    rawDah being a lawn, or meadow, or a small garden can then be stretched to a jannah.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.

    [see wafa'a al-wafa'a of samhudi, 3/101, dar kotob ilmiyah ed.2006. wafa'a is perhaps the most comprehensive history of madinah; and certainly it is an authoritative reference.]
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  9. Saeed Malik

    Saeed Malik Active Member

    Sahih Muslim Book 04. Prayer

    Hazrtha 'Aisha Siddiqa (RadhiAllahuanha) reported (that whenever it was her turn for Allah's Messenger [may the most perfect peace and blessings be upon him] to spend the night with her) he would go out towards the end of the night to al-Baqi' and say: Peace be upon you, abode of a people who are believers. What you were promised would come to you tomorrow, you receiving it after some delay; and God willing we shall join you. O Allah, grant forgiveness to the inhabitants of Baqi' al-Gharqad. Qutaiba did not mention his words: "would come to you".

    Firstly, A prophet's (Peace be upon them all) dua is never rejected let alone the best of Prophets [may the most perfect peace and blessings be upon him] Dua.
    Secondly, Jannah is one of the many rewards.

    Alhamdulilah! Many commentries have been compiled on Muslim shareef by our Ulama from the likes of Imam Nawawi (RahimuAllah) to Allamah Ghulam Rasool Saeedi(Hafizullah). It would be interesting to know what these Ulama have recorded in the commentary of above mentioned hadith.
  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i doubt the word "jannat" is found in the wording of hadith.

    i have examined scores of sources, including urdu/persian and all of them say "ahl e baqiy". shah abdu'l haq, alahazrat and his noble father imam naqi ali have all said ahl e baqiy. jannat has eluded me.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
  11. Saeed Malik

    Saeed Malik Active Member

    Question: Assalam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakutuhu, Can we call Jannatul Baqi or should we call it Baqi only?
    ............................................................................Answer: Walaikum Assalam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakutuhu , in Muhshi Tirmidhi, Anwar Shah Kashmiri has recorded a Hadith in which the words Jannatul Baqi are mentioned. Thus, he records the following Hadith in the interpretation of the Hadith which comes in Jame’ Tirmidhi, Vol. 1, pg 202:

    Translation: The Holy Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) went to Jannatul Baqi and lifted both of His blessed hands and prayed.

    In the above mentioned Hadith, the word “Jannat” are clearly used for Jannatul Baqi.

    And Allah Most High knows best.

    Mufti Syed Ziauddin Naqshbandi Qadri
  12. Saeed Malik

    Saeed Malik Active Member

    Baqi could mean Garden or a Graveyard (Please correct me if i am wrong)

    However, It would be better if you can explain the complete term Jannat ul baqi and aqida related to the blessed place.
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  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    is your confusion regarding 'jannat' or is it 'baqiy' as well?
  14. Saeed Malik

    Saeed Malik Active Member


    I had a question regarding Jannat ul Baqi, how did Ahlus sunnah wal jam'ah derive this name?

    The closest answer i have got is anwar shah kashmiri has mentioned this name in one of his books.

    I would really appreciate if any learned brother can shed some light on this topic.

    JazakAllah khair!

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