i don't understand punjabi fully either, other than elementary and basic punjabi. the criticizing shaykh (Khursheed saab) says Fazal Chishti saab calls it kufr. he gives 'smart' reasons for the same saying perhaps he was beaten up by a masterji or had his sandals or school bag stolen or something. Fazal Chishti saab is defending his position on "school ke khilaf" (based on the video you linked, and my meager understanding of punjabi). he says he's not worried about stolen sandals, but rather stolen daughters and sisters and stolen izzat in schools. if he's just "khilaf" of schools (as opposed to takfeer), then that's a fair point really, and even something to take on board and consider seriously. our madrasa and darse nizami system itself is in shambles. and it doesn't contribute much to the community if the half baked ulema of the times just look the other way citing mibah for modern school system. it will be only twice as bad for the millah. to be honest, a whole lot of people are "school ke khilaf" now because of the unrestricted kufr and other fitnahs taught there. in my school days, in a Muslim country, hindu teachers used to tell ganpati stories to seven year old Muslim students - i repeat, in a Muslim country, circa 80s and 90s! these days there are "Islamic" schools where the "bade bhai" concepts of wahabi disrespect are taught, modern secular schools teach lgbt acceptance, and so on. in india, convents teach christian prayers to children. in so many well respected Muslim families with 'deeni' temperament in my part of india, a 'convent educated' girl is considered the ideal bahu with perfect manners. upper class Muslims would sell a kidney to get their kids educated in a convent and wear blazers with the cross printed on it! in his recent diatribes against Islam and Muslims, macron specifically even talked about monitoring Muslim schools in france, and he even spoke about closely monitoring home schooling for Muslim communities it isn't rocket science that schooling (home, or public, or private school, or anything in between) is a project to shape the future generation's mindset. anyone can ask himself or herself how are they doing that with their currently chosen schooling system/method. personally i am extremely skeptical and cynical of modern schooling for Muslims, be it public or private. the devbandis are far ahead of us in schooling. i know in karachi they have successfully implemented some maktaba system, where Quran hifz and fiqh (devbandi) are taught, and by the 12th class, the student comes out as a hafiz, (devbandi) aalim, and 12th pass. it's a more strenuous routine, where kids spend time at school like a working person, from 8-5 and it includes everything lunch, afternoon snooze, secular & religious studies, etc. we are sleeping, as usual. anyway, coming back to FC, it was disingenuous to defend "school ke khilaf" if he really espoused a fatwa of "kufr" as stated by the criticizing mawlana khursheed. by the same token, it was also wrong of the criticizing mufti/mawlana to portray a "school ke khilaf" opinion as takfeer. we don't know which of the two mawlanas played smart here. BUT modern schools (even in a place like pakistan) being factories producing liberals, feminists, secularists, perennialists, qadiani sympathizers, etc. and teaching daughters and sisters to forsake their haya and izzat is open to anyone who isn't summum bukmun 3umyun! @abu Hasan's post # 27 on this very thread is very closely related to the topic of schooling too in the sense of modern fitan and threats to Sunniyat.