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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    this "research" is simply hilarious. in their desperation they are getting more and more fanciful with each passing year. I think in a few years hence we can expect an astrophysical mythology rivaling Tolkien's Middle Earth Saga - and it might be, to quote the article, "the most exciting explanation".

    I like good stories so who am I to complain? But for this group of self-appointed thinkers-for-humanity who allegedly do not brook anything less than experimentally-verifiable and independently reproducible real-world facts, it would be an embarrassing apology for a credible model of the cosmos.

    The researchers looking for "exciting" solutions can keep dreaming up universes and we will keep clubbing them in a single "grand pluriverse".

    Hello, sir, it's turtle's all the way down. Beat that if you can. :)

    Even if there be multiple self-contained closed-systems which might qualify for "individual universes" I do not think that humans will ever even approach a solution to the mystery of the cosmos. Even if their flights of fancy offer them "exciting" odysseys into the world of possibilities, they will keep groping in the dark until the scrolls of heavens are rolled up and truth becomes self-evidently manifest to even the most stubborn skeptic.

    And Allah ta'ala knows best.
  2. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed New Member

  3. Juwayni

    Juwayni Active Member

    As Salāmu ʿAlaykum,

    Hadhrat Madanī Miyaṇ wrote an epistle on this topic in Urdu that's been translated into English by Masood Aḥmed Sahib.
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the 'scientific' approach is amazing.

    start with the title:

    First evidence of the multiverse? Scientists think Cold Spot in space could be colliding universes
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  5. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member
  6. abdul qadeer

    abdul qadeer New Member

    Salam is this available anywhere?
    salam would it be possible to explain the narration in context of out aqeeda?
  7. abdul qadeer

    abdul qadeer New Member

    Salam is this available anywhere?
  8. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    two issues mixed up.

    1. first is the possibility of "multiverse". in itself, it is a possibility and does not contradict religion.

    2.the other is the implication according to athar of ibn abbas; which itself has two more issues:

    a. the validity of the athar itself in terms of isnad etc.
    b. whether the athar should be taken literally, or whether it is explained in a way that it does not conflict with established aqidah.
    regardless, one can confidently and emphatically say that this athar cannot contradict other SaHiH narrations and the qur'an itself which explicitly says that RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam is rahmat for EVERY aalam - universes or multiverse or pluniverse (this is my take) there is. and adduced by other SaHiH narrations and ijma'a, RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam is the Prophet sent for all the worlds there are;

    ye jahaN ke hashdah hazaar hai, jise dekho uska hazaar hai
    this world, which is 18 thousand, whoever you see, sings his praises

    [hazaar in the first instance is thousand; hazaar in the second instance means 'a nightingale'; thus 'sing his praises']

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
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  10. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Active Member

    The apparent meaning that: there is a messenger like each of the messengers would necessitate that there is also a messenger like our Master Muhamnad SallAllāhu Alayhi wa Sallam which is rationally impossible. That is the part i was alluding to.
  11. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    Salam e masnun

    but brother are u sure it in relation to this?
    Does not Imam Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, (rahmat Allahi ta'la alayh), mention that there could be multiverses, in his tafsir al-Kabir of of Sura al-Fatiha, al-Hamdulillahi Rabbil 'alameen.

  12. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Active Member

    There is ikhtilāf regarding the hadīth but regardless, the apparent meaning cannot be taken as it contradicts known principles and would be considered disregarding a fundamental part of the religion.
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  13. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    What would be the correct interpretation of this Athar of Ibn e Abbas? if its accepted, that is.
  14. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Active Member

    This athr was used by ahsan nanotwi to give a justification for imkān e Nażīr. He was refuted by Sunni scholars, but qasim nanotwi wrote tahdhīr al-Nās to support ahsan and his imkān e Nażīr theory. I think we all know what happened after that.
  15. abdul qadeer

    abdul qadeer New Member

    Salam.. can someone check the attachment and confirm its authenticity? Just the section related to Imam Sayuti rahmatullah alaihi

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