Nabi Alayi Salam Rebuked by Allah?

Arabic version: Volume 10, page 331

 

Arabic Tafseer-e-Roohul Bayan on Surah Abasa and the incident of the hypocrite Imam being beheaded by the order of Hazrat Umar RadiALLAHu Anh

 

How did Ala Hazrat (rahimAllah) translate the verse in Kanz ul Iman?

 

Allama Ismael Haqqi in his famous commentry Tafseer-e-Roohul Bayan records:

There was a hypocrite Imam in the Caliphate of Hazrat Umar Radi ALLAHu Anh who used to recite Surah 'Abasa in every Jahri Prayer (Prayers in which Qir'at is done loudly). People spoke to Hazrat Umar about it. He asked him why he does so. He replied that he feels contented because ALLAH Subhanuhu wa Ta'ala had shown His anger towards Rasoolullah SallAllaho Alaihi Wa Sallam in this Surah [Ma'azALLAH]. Upon this reply, Hazrat Umar sent a companion who killed him. (Tafseer-e-Roohul Bayan, Surah 'Abasa, Vol 16, Page 490)

 

Somewhere in Roohul Bayan

 

I've heard of this also.

 

there is an instance of an Imam who was reciting these aayat daily (Abasa wa tawalla); people complained about him, and he was brought to the court of Syeduna Umar Farooq; the Imam said "I like these verses, because Allah ta'ala has "scolded" the Holy Prophet in them". (astaghferullah).

Syeduna Umar Farooq promptly chopped off his head. this is the ruling.

(i will look up the reference for this, and post it later In sha Allah)

 

you may see this thread
http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/nabi-alayi-salam-rebuked-by-allah.13453/

Nabi Alayi Salam Rebuked by Allah?

 

At 1 minute 40 - Hamza Yusuf says that the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him was rebuked by Allah.

 

I had mentioned to you in a previous post to provide evidence where takfir has been done on these forums without due cause. Also nobody has done any takfir on you in this thread or anywhere else on this forum.

Please take my earlier recommended and get yourself checked up.

 

Mohamed Shaksi , are you zameelur Rahman deobandi ?

and your recent posts, totally different !!!!!

 

oh btw, who did takfir? and where? and how?

you don't understand anything. you missed the point by a mile and then took and took a left turn for another mile.

 

"your dishonesty"
"Its you idiots"
"how ignorant you people are"
"and mutaassib"
"and Takfiri way you people think."
"But brelwi clowns will go"
"Takfiri Muta'asib style"
"Just for your stupid brain"
"but according to you clowns"
"you dishonest Takfiri jahil clowns."

of course, not.

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BTW, you didn't understand ANYTHING; neither from my previous post, nor from my latest post.

he did not say reprimand.

yes, you need to read again. it is something to do with "did not happen".

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so you will find the worst connotation and not the best? sub'HanAllah.

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so you are fine with translating according to your 'urdu books'? according to your principles, it is permissible to use itaab in the following meanings:

ghussa - ghazab - qahr - narazgi; and itaab e ilaahi means: "khuda ka qahr" "aafat e samawi" "ghazab e ilahi" "khuda ki maar"

so you consider all this permissible because shah abdul Haqq sahib used 'itaab'. and you would look up an urdu/farsi dictionary and translate from urdu/farsi to english whatever is suitable. bravo!

fayruz al-lughat:


perhaps you would consider ghalib's usage:

laakhoN lagaa'v ek churaana nigaah ka
laakhoN banaa'v ek bigaDna itaab meiN


even a farsi dictionary says: ghiyas v1/p281



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but then, if you are more interested in vindicating self than learning adab - go your way.

and dust in your boorish face!

 

Mohamed Shaksi, it doesn't matter the names, if it is Abdul Haqq Dahlawi or anyone else. Anyone who speaks in disparaging manner addressing poorly or ill mannered, is kafir . This is ijma of the ummah. Do you disagree on this ?

Remember Pir Karam Ali Shah and his views on Deobandis !!!!!!!

 

Itaab has those meanings in Arabic as well just only if your honest you will find it. Takfiri mullahs.

imam Suyuti used the very same explanation, and even the Holy Prophet said: "Marhaba bi man Atabani fihi Rabbi"! It only shows that the creed is how I stated.

In other Tafaseer.

فأمر الله تعالى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ألا يخص بالإنذار أحدا، بل يساوي فيه

You will find the same explanation almost everywhere, here you must do bad dua too, because he said فأمر، and this is not the same word like loving approach?

And even the poets sheer does not contradict what I said rather its only emphasizes what I said.

 

Itaab has those meanings in Arabic as well just only if your honest you will find it. Takfiri mullahs.

 

The problem in your dishonesty is that you leave out what was used in Sheikh Abdul Haqq Muhaddith Dehlavi text in farsi and in our urdu books where it itaab means as such, and itaab does not contradict what I said.

Rather as Sheikh Abdul Haqq Muhaddith Dehlavi stated himself with sareeh bayan what I told whas absolutely in line with creed of Ahlus Sunnah, it is not considered as Suu Adab but Shaan. Its you idiots who make this a matter of blaspheme! and a reason to do bad dua, over matters which don't go against creed after Ahlus-Sunnah rather was and is stated by noble imams. It only shows how ignorant you people are and mutaassib and Takfiri way you people think.

I answered according to the question and my answer is correct if it was said with the intend to denigrate it will render him Kafir if based on Akhbaar he should have limited to lessons and Ilm only. But the wordings are acceptable since its Shaan of the Prophets to be reprimanded, itaab Kare as Sheikh Abdul Haqq uses, by Allah Ta'ala over such matters, its His Haqq.

But the notion that Allah can reprimand his Beloved is our sunni creed be it reprimand, rebuke or lovely approach. Even if the wording did not match exactly, will not change this creed, at highest you can say wrong choice of words. But brelwi clowns will go Takfiri Muta'asib style doing bad dua. And over what? Something which isn't Qat'i but based on an imams interpretation which is also in line of yhe sunni creed?

BTW Sheikh Abdul Haqq used the word in farsi as well and in our sunni books itaab as well in urdu it means exactly what I said.

Just for your stupid brain ln the passage of ibn taymiyyah is about calling with the name not about reprimanding. But again in other Akhbaar the Holy Prophet is called with his name, but according to you clowns those people are then being blasphemers, Suu Adab, and worthy of bad dua because Allah Ta'ala acted like a God and treated His noble Prophet as his Magluq???

And reprimanding in this matter is Shaan not Suu Adab. So even how severe it may or less be it will only show his Shaan not blasphemy. But you people are changing the rules for Allah, if Allah does this with the Holy Prophet its blasphemy and su Adab!

You can delete my account, dont want ever to do with you dishonest Takfiri jahil clowns.

At least I know my creed well and what is considered Kufr, Suu Adab and blasphemy. BTW I am not angry this isnt the first time I encountered a Takfiri brelwi. The right approach with yhem is just to leave them behind they will die out. No one is listening to you people anyways. Allah has enough other servants who represent Ahmad Rida in the right way.

 

i waited for a day, hoping the idiot to realise his mistake, but it didn't happen. so let me state the obvious.

i got angry because a boor used inappropriate word when referring to RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. but the boor became enraged and lashed out in self-righteous anger because he was addressed with harsh language. one should fear that they don't fall into this category warned by the qur'an; nas'alu Allaha al-aafiyah:




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if you leave your arrogance and so-full-of-yourselfance, you will notice that our criticism was not on your 'interpretation'. you either don't read or you don't understand what you read.

sub'HanAllah, look at all that you have said just because i spoke harshly to YOU. but you don't mind using words that are inappropriate for RasulAlah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. that is the difference you are unable to make.

فاحثوا في وجوههم التراب
check what khattabi has to say about the idiom. and if you could quote a farsi passage, you would know what ﺧﺎﻙ ﺑﺪﻫن means.

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since when did shah abdul Haq sahib raHimahullah write in english? where did he say 'reprimand'?

yes. but itaab is not 'reprimand'. if you had read my post properly rather than blowing your top, you would have seen:

itaab is friendly reproach, as the poet says:




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reprimand is severe reproof.



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you, in your arrogant manner say betraying your abject ignorance:

indeed, Allah ta'ala is Qaadir. but only this thing didn't happen. except in diseased minds which have hitherto not learned the adab of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

Allah ta'ala is Rabb and Creator of RasulAllah SallALlahu alayhi wa sallam; still, he did not address him by his name - out of love and immense honour He HImself bestowed upon His beloved. SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

even ibn taymiyyah highlighted this:




Allah ta'ala is Rabb and He has the Power and the Will to call His prophet by his name; but it only didn't happen. this was out of love and honour that He gave him.

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the brother said it [i saw it after i posted mine]

would you translate

hijrah as 'flight' [as the orientalists do]

or ummi as 'illiterate' as the wahabis do?

or wafat, tuwuffiya, maata, as 'died', 'dead' 'death'

or "Dallan" in surah Duhaa as 'misguided' 'astray'

or "dhanb" in the first verses of surah fat'H as: "sin"

but certainly, if you value your nafs above the respect that should be accorded to RasulALlah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, you can continue to call us names, and even thrown tantrums:

how is this different to a murtad's vid that was posted a while ago, who left islam because something was not agreeable to his nafs?

and who cares? may dust fill your face.

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sahabah used a word in good intention, and they were commanded to use something else. that is the adab of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. we ask Allah ta'ala to forgive our lapses and to be mindful of the adab of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

qadi iyad:

 

itaab (عتاب) can mean friendly reproach, but reprimand or admonishment is never friendly, rather a firm disapproval.

you can't see the difference.

umar99 didn't state any hukm, it is your own derivation.

i couldn't find the word 'brelwi' in the whole thread except in your post, that too 4 times in a 5 lines post.

 

Yes this is brelwism of today.

He can wear it due to changing of Urf. Now please you brelwi go do bad dua dirt and dust on me for stating this, scold me and prove me doing be Adabi. No better prove me a Kafir because I made it halal to wear a tie, or according to brelwis a cross.

Fyi a tie today doesn't have the same hukm as it did in the time of Ahmad Rida Khan.

From now on I refuse to call myself a Brelwi. Thank you people for that.