Question re. quote in Ja al-Haq about Prophet knowing the Qur'an before birth

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  1. faqir,
    this is the accepted opinion of all sunni barelvi ulama that the real teacher of the koran was Allah not Gabriel. Gabriel was a messenger and awesome as his status is it is just as a servant compared to that of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم

    I will try to find some relevant quotes to help you insha Allah and request someone to contact both pir sayyid irfan shah sahib and also shaykh haddad.
  2. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    Has anyone been able to ask any of their teachers about this issue yet? Is there any precedence for the Mufti's position from any of the earlier scholars of tafsir?
  3. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    sorry but i fail to see how it is an excellent explanation....
  4. sahebju

    sahebju New Member

    Dear haya

    masha allah
    excellent explanation
    unthinkable explanation
    with salams
  5. hayaa

    hayaa Guest

    You need to check with an alim if these quotes are correct and what they mean. Aka (صلى الله عليه وسلم) is very great and had been given the Quran before Jibril.
  6. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    as-salamu `alaikum

    Some quotes from some of the famous tafsirs were provided as follows:

    لاَ تُحَرِّكْ بِهِ لِسَانَكَ لِتَعْجَلَ بِهِ

    "Move not your tongue concerning to make haste therewith."

    It says in Tafsir al-Jalalayn ,

    "God, exalted be He, says to His Prophet: Do not move your tongue with it, with the Qur’ān, before Gabriel is through with [reciting] it, to hasten it, fearing to lose it."

    And in Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs ,

    "(Stir not thy tongue) to read the Qur'an, O Muhammad, (herewith to hasten it) to hasten the recitation of the Qur'an before Gabriel finishes reciting it to you. This is because the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) used to repeat whatever revelations of the Qur'an Gabriel brought down to him before the latter finished a sentence of the Qur'an, out of fear of forgetting what was revealed to him. Allah warned him against doing so."

    And it says in Tafsir ibn Kathir,

    "This is Allah teaching His Messenger how to receive the revelation from the angel. For verily, he (the Prophet ) was rushing in his attempts to grasp the revelation and he would be reciting the revelation with the angel while he was reciting it. Therefore, Allah commanded him that when the angel brings some revelation to him he should just listen. Allah would make sure to collect it in his chest, and He would make it easy for him to recite it in the same way that it was revealed to him. Allah would explain it, interpret it and clarify it for him."


    وَكَذَلِكَ أَوْحَيْنَآ إِلَيْكَ رُوحاً مِّنْ أَمْرِنَا
    مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِى مَا الْكِتَـبُ وَلاَ الإِيمَـنُ​

    "And thus We have sent to you Ruh of Our command. You knew not what is the Book, nor what is Faith." [42:52]

    It says in Tafisr Jalalayn,

    { وَكَذٰلِكَ } أي مثل إيحائنا إلى غيرك من الرسل { أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ } يا محمد { رُوحاً } هو القرآن به تحيا القلوب { مِنْ أَمْرِنَا } الذي نوحيه إليك { مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِى } تعرف قبل الوحي إليك { مَا ٱلْكِتَٰبُ } القرآن

    "And thus, in the same way that We have revealed to messengers other than you, have We revealed to you, O Muhammad (s), a Spirit, namely, the Qur’ān, by which hearts are revived, from Our command, that [command] which We reveal to you. You did not know, before revelation came to you, what the Book was, [what] the Qur’ān [was], nor faith, that is, its ordinances and [ritual] ceremonies (the negation comments in place of the verb on the action, and what has come after it constitutes two direct objects); but We have made it, namely, the Spirit — or the Qur’ān — a light by which We guide whomever We will of Our servants. And verily you guide, you are summoning [people], by means of what is revealed to you, to a straight path, [a straight] way: the religion of Islam."

    And it says in Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs,

    (And thus have We inspired in thee (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command) i.e. We sent you Gabriel with the Qur'an. (Thou knewest not what the Scripture was) you did not know what the Qur'an was before the coming of Gabriel to you nor did you know how to recite the Qur'an before it came to you, (nor what the Faith) nor did you know the call to Allah's divine Oneness. (But We have made it) i.e. the Qur'an (a light) an exposition of commands and prohibitions, the lawful and unlawful, the Truth and falsehood (whereby) by means of the Qur'an (We guide whom We will) whoever deserves it (of Our bondmen. And lo! thou verily dost guide) do call (unto a right path) a straight, true religion.

    تفسير القرآن/ الفيروز آبادي (ت817 هـ
    أَوْحَيْنَآ إِلَيْكَ رُوحاً مِّنْ أَمْرِنَا } يعني جبريل بالقرآن { مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِي مَا ٱلْكِتَابُ } ما القرآن قبل نزول جبريل عليك وما كنت تحسن قراءة القرآن قبل القرآن { وَلاَ ٱلإِيمَانُ } ولا الدعوة إلى التوحيد

    تفسير بحر العلوم/ السمرقندي (ت 375 هـ
    { مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِى مَا ٱلْكِتَـٰبُ وَلاَ ٱلإِيمَـٰنُ } يعني ما كنت تدري قبل الوحي أن تقرأ القرآن،

    تفسير النكت والعيون/ الماوردي (ت 450 ه
    ـ[{ مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلاَ الإِيمَانُ } فيه وجهان:
    أحدهما: ما كنت تدري ما الكتاب لولا الرسالة، ولا الإيمان لولا البلوغ، قاله ابن عيسى.
    الثاني: ما كنت تدري ما الكتاب لولا إنعامنا عليك،

    تفسير معالم التنزيل/ البغوي (ت 516
    { مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِى } ، قبل الوحي، { مَا ٱلْكِتَـٰبُ وَلاَ ٱلإِيمَـٰنُ } ، يعني شرائع الإِيمان ومعالمه

    تفسير زاد المسير في علم التفسير/ ابن الجوزي (ت 597 هـ
    قوله تعالى: { ما كنتَ تَدري ما الكتابُ } وذلك أنه لم يكن يَعرف القرآن قبل الوحي

    تفسير مدارك التنزيل وحقائق التأويل/ النسفي (ت 710 هـ
    { مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِى } الجملة حال من الكاف في { إِلَيْكَ }. { مَا ٱلْكِتَـٰبُ } القرآن { وَلاَ ٱلإِيمَـٰنُ } أي شرائعه أو ولا الإيمان بالكتاب لأنه إذا كان لا يعلم بأن الكتاب ينزل عليه لم يكن عالماً بذلك الكتاب

    تفسير لباب التأويل في معاني التنزيل/ الخازن (ت 725
    { ما كنت تدري } أي قبل الوحي { ما الكتاب } يعني القرآن

    التفسير الكبير / للإمام الطبراني ت 360 هـ
    وقولهُ: { مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِي مَا ٱلْكِتَابُ وَلاَ ٱلإِيمَانُ }؛ أي ما كنتَ تدري قبلَ الوحيِ ما الكتابُ ولا ما الإيمانُ؛ قيل: لأنه كان لا يعرِفُ القرآنَ قبلَ الوحي،

    ابو السعود (ت 951 هـ
    مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِى } قبلَ الوَحي { مَا ٱلْكِتَـٰبُ } أيْ أيُّ شيءٍ هُو[

    تفسير جامع البيان في تفسير القرآن/ الطبري (ت 310 هـ
    وقوله: { مَا كُنْتَ تَدْرِي ما الكِتابُ وَلا الإيمَانُ } يقول جلّ ثناؤه لنبيه محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم: ماكنت تدري يا محمد أيّ شيء الكتاب ولا الإيمان اللذين أعطيناكهما

  7. hayaa

    hayaa Guest

    I don't have any other quotes but will try finding some.

    If we don't accept this view then we will have to consider that Jibril was more learned than Aka (صلى الله عليه وسلم) which is not acceptable.
  8. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    as-salamu `alaikum
    Could you provide a more exact reference please? Also do you know if any of the earlier recognised scholars of tafsir were of the same opinion?
  9. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    check this clip around 3:30 mins

    The fact that the Prophet (sallaLLahu alayhi wasallam) knew the Qur'an before the formal revelation has been stated in futuhat al-makkiya by Shaykh Muhiyuddin ibn Arabi. The remaining statement (esp. the reluctance to say Iqra) in Ja'al Haqq's excerpt are also confirmed in the above clip between 4:30min-5:30min mark
  10. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    as-salamu `alaikum

    Please post some commentary from earlier mufassireen in support of this view.
  11. sall Allahu 'alaihi wa Aalihi wasallam
  12. hayaa

    hayaa Guest

    Aka (صلى الله عليه وسلم) knew the Quran before 40 because Allah taught him directly before sending Jibril. It is in Surat Rahman: arrahman, allamal quran. TAUGHT the Quran, then khalaqal insan, created insan. You might get more information and clearer translation from Muradabadis Tafsir, Zia ul Quran and Irfan ul Quran. These are the references.
  13. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    I think the main point is that HabeebAllah salAllaho alaihi wa alihi wa sallam knows everything that is on the blessed Lahw al-Mahfuz. Qur'an al-Karim is also a part of Lahw al-Mahfuz. I found it offensive that the imbicle is comparing HabeebAllah salAllaho alaihi wa alihi wa sallam to a child. He was a man of 40 years of age and was a man of uncomparable Hikma.
  14. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    as-salamu `alaikum

    I would be grateful of the brothers here could clarify a quote from Mufti Ahmad Yaar Khan's Ja a-Haq:


    This was translated elsewhere as:

    Is this view shared by any other classical sunni scholars? I ask as I'd never heard of this view before and thought that it was essentially undisputed that the qur'an was revealed to the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam by Angel Gabriel?

    JazakumAllahu khayran

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