Rasulullah & Magic

Discussion in 'Seerat ar-Rasul' started by Misbah al-Hidaya, Dec 1, 2007.

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  1. Misbah al-Hidaya

    Misbah al-Hidaya Active Member

    brother, are you suggesting that Rasul Allah(S) lost His(S) mind; doing things and not realising what He(S) was doing??
  2. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    how disrespectful that you cannot write durood shairf in full, at least you can make a text file and simply copy/paste from there.
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    now, are you suggesting that the muhaddithin and mufassirin were ignorant of this ayah that you have put forward as proof of your claim?

    and as for your 'opinions', can i say: 'it is all nonsense. i have read the kalimah of RasulAllah sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam; NOT the kalimah of some unknown faceless individual who calls himself Mis.Hidayah'.

    why should i give any value to YOUR interpretation or understanding of the verse?
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2007
  4. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    i am sorry to say, you can't get rid of your wahabi style logic. no magic can have any effect on our beloved prophet ŞallAllāhu álayhi wa sallam except that Allāh subĥānahu wa táālā wanted to reveal His ahkaam or teach people through His prophet. look, prophets are infallible (masum), and missing a single prayer or not offering in its time is a sin, but you must've seen this hadith in bukhari sharif that:

    Narrated By 'Abdullah bin Abi Qatada : My father said, "One night we were traveling with the Prophet and some people said, 'We wish that Allah's Apostle would take a rest along with us during the last hours of the night.' He said, 'I am afraid that you will sleep and miss the (Fajr) prayer.' Bilal said, 'I will make you get up.' So all slept and Bilal rested his back against his Rahila and he too was overwhelmed (by sleep) and slept. The Prophet got up when the edge of the sun had risen and said, 'O Bilal! What about your statement?' He replied, 'I have never slept such a sleep.' The Prophet said, 'Allah captured your souls when He wished, and released them when He wished. O Bilal! Get up and pronounce the Adhan for the prayer.' The Prophet performed ablution and when the sun came up and became bright, he stood up and prayed." (Vol 1, Book 10. Times Of The Prayers. Hadith 569.)

    If I use your approach, either I'll reject the hadith or I will reach a conclusion that prophets are not infallible, and in either case I'll be completely wrong.

    I guess this hadith is one of the the daleel of ahnaf, if only ahnaaf permit it, that if you do not wake up for a single moment during the fajar prayer time, and wake up after sunrise and before zawal, you can still pray fajar, it will not be counted as qadha. note that it does not mean that you make it your habit, but only in rare cases when you could not manage to get up. if you woke up even for a second and slept again, your prayer is gone.
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2007
  5. Misbah al-Hidaya

    Misbah al-Hidaya Active Member

    what can i say to such a powerful evidence for the affects of magic and mind altering consequences for Sarkar Khatam al-nabiyeen(S)....
  6. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    cool :), in one thread you blame others arguing like wahabis, and in another you yourself wear their cloak.

    I guess you've got a quite nice tool box with al sort of gadgets like sunni, shia , wahabi, and use whichever is appropriate for the situation.
  7. Misbah al-Hidaya

    Misbah al-Hidaya Active Member

    It is the Quran sharif that prevents me to believe that Mukhtar e Kul(S) had affects of magic especially the one in the hadith above....it is better to consider that reporters of hadith made a mistake then saying that " he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not acyually doing."

    we have read the kalima of Rasul Allah(S) and not the mohadithin.
  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    are you suggesting that the prophet sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam was not affected by magic absolutely?
  9. Misbah al-Hidaya

    Misbah al-Hidaya Active Member

    this is non-sense and casts doubt on the authenticity of the Message and Messenger(S) in other versions of the hadith there is even more non-sense...such being with wives and not knowing if He(S) has or not etc...

    there is no denying that magic exists but it cannot affect the Noble Prophet(S) amongst other arguments against such hadith; it should also be noted that it contradicts the Quran Sharif....the kuffar are reported in the Quran to mock the Prophet(S) that He(S) was under the spell of magic; now if you believe that magic has and can affect the Holy Prophet(S) than you are proving the kuffar right!!

    17:47 We know best why it is they listen, when they listen to thee; and when they meet in private conference, behold, the wicked say, "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched!"
    نَّحْنُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يَسْتَمِعُونَ بِهِ إِذْ يَسْتَمِعُونَ إِلَيْكَ وَإِذْ هُمْ

    نَجْوَى إِذْ يَقُولُ الظَّالِمُونَ إِن تَتَّبِعُونَ إِلاَّ رَجُلاً مَّسْحُورًا

    Last edited: Nov 27, 2007
  10. sahebju

    sahebju New Member

    sahee bukhari hadeeth


    Narrated by aisha raz :Magic was worked on prophet so that he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not acyually doing. One day he invoked allah for a long period and then said, "i feel that allah has inspired me how to curemyself. Two persons came to me and sat, one by my head and other by my feet. One of them asked the other, "what is the ailment of this man?" The other replied, 'he has been bewitched". The first asked"wha has bewitched him?' the other replied Lubaid al asam. The first one asked what material has he used? The other replied a comb, the the hair gathered on it, and the outer skin of the pollen of male date palm. The first asked where is that? The other replied 'it is in the well of dharwan' .So "the prophet went out towards the well and then returned. He said to me on his return, The date palms near the well are like devils. I asked"did you take out the things with which magic was worked?" .He said , "No, for i have been cured by allah and i am afraid that this action may spread evil amongst the people. "Later on the the well was filled up with earth. SAHIH BUKHARI, VOL4 , BOOK 54 , bEGINNING OF CREATION , HADITH 490
    i quoted the hadeeth from sahee bukhari.

    1.it mentions very clearly that black magic exists
    2.it does affect even pious persons
    in other means by using quran.
    4. most important of all is
    prophet is affected by black magic?
    i look this from different view
    what i feel that this incident occured so that umma will be careful and get benifitted .
    like the incident of tayammum.
    with salams
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2007
  11. calltoallah

    calltoallah Active Member

    does anyone know what the ulema have said regarding the magic which was practised on rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam?

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