Salah queries

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    shaykh usman explains it in sharh al-alfiyyah ibn malik in the below video:

    watch from 12:00 onward:

  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the word was originally lam yawlid, but the waw was dropped for convenience, as it is done in various cases. such as qaaDin قاض for qaaDiyy قاضي.

    radd al-muHtar, v2 p256
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    this is explained a bit more clearly in hashiyah of imam tahtawi on durr al-mukhtar: vol.1/p.235

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  3. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    @Seekers Path - perhaps this question and subsequent response from abu Hasan can be posted on Seekers Path so that it can be shared with and benefit a wider audience?
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  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    verses which are one word such as:

    surah al-Rahman, s55:v64


    or portions of a verse or letters such as:
    do not count as a short verse.

    so if we took the verse,


    as six letters and then computed it as 6 x 3 = 18, this will not do. because the mashayikh did not say, "three equivalent to the shortest verse"ز

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
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  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    now let us examine the verses you ask about. remember we need one aayah, or two aayah which add up to 30 letters or more.


    it is sufficient to recite these two verses.



    obviously each one of them is more than 30 letters each


    more than 30 letters.


    more than 30 letters.


    more than 30 letters.


    this is less than 30 letters. which means you will have to include the next verse or the one before this.

    but if one takes 6 letters as a minimum for an aayat (as in 74:21) then an aayat with 18 letters (i.e. 6x3) would count as 3 short aayats. if one takes short ayat as 6 letters absolutely. though, this is not the right way to calculate.

    however, if we take the 3 verses (74:21-23) as the template for three consecutive short verses, in the example cited by fuqaha, they add up to 30 letters.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
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  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    durr al-mukhtar mentioning the wajibat of salat:

    {and add} a short {surah} such as al-kawthar or something similar to it; that is, equal to three short verses. such as the verses:

    similarly, if it is one lengthy verse (aayat) or two medium verses (aayat) that are equivalent to three short verses.



    in radd al-muhtar, vol.2 p.149-150, explaining the above:

    {equal to three short} that is, similar (in length) to the verses: [surah al-muddath'thir, 74:21-23]


    these [three verses] will amount to 30 letters.

    thus, if one recites a lengthy verse more than 30 letters, then it will be considered as having recited three short verses. when we discuss the imam's reciting loudly, which we will do presently, [we will read that] it is obligatory to recite at least ONE [full] verse. in general parlance, a verse is a group of words in the qur'an, which translates to at least SIX letters, even if is projected to be six [taqdiran] such as: [i.e. only five are written but, they were originally six as the author explains elsewhere, see v2p256]


    except when it is only one word; and the correct opinion is that in such a case (if it only one word that is SIX letters) it will not be deemed an verse/aayah. this implies that if one recites a lengthy verse that has 18 letters, then it will be considered as one verse equivalent to three verses. it is also said: the requirement of three verses is: 'three consecutive verses' to maintain the linguistic coherence of the qur'an such as: [surah al-muddath'thir, 74:21]


    because there are no three consecutive verses in the qur'an shorter than this. therefore it is wajib to recite it, or any other verse(s) equivalent to it.

    this does not mean one can recite three such (verses?) that are equal to the shortest aayah that are found in the qur'an; therefore it is said: that which is equivalent to three short verses - and not: 'three equivalent to the shortest verse'. in some texts: "equivalent to the shortest surah". ponder on it.

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  7. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    So for example, is it sufficient to recite verses 128 and 129? Or, do we need to recite 127 as well? If we include verse 127, then what about verses 123 to 126 since 123 to 127 go together (and therefore would be 'odd' to start from 127)?
  8. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    If one wants to recite 9:128 (surah al-tawbah - la qad jaa'akum...) in salah, what ayahs before and after should they recite as well in order to satisfy the minimum recitation requirements?

    Same question for:
    - 4:64 (surah al-nisa)
    - 47:19 (surah muhammad sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam)
    - 9:103 (surah al-tawbah)
    - 21:107 (surah ambiya)
  9. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    It is better to add "Allahumma" to Quranic verses such as "Rabbana aatena".......
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  10. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    You can recite quranic or prophetic duas after durood, the only condition is that dua should not be for worldly matters or anything which we ask people for. It is recommended to recite those which RasulAllah alaihi afDalussalat wat-tasleem used to recite. Also, if you finish before imam then you can repeat same dua or shift to another one rather than sitting quiet.
  11. nahim

    nahim New Member

    Can someone confirm Quran recitation is only made in the Qayaam position. When we recite a dua after durood sharif were not able to recite any dua from the Quran? Unless we add Allah Umma Rabbana or similar at the front so the dua from the Quran is altered?
  12. Inwardreflection

    Inwardreflection Well-Known Member

    If before completing the Surah (so near the end of it) you forgetfully lower both hands but remain standing then bind them again to complete the Surah is Namaz still intact? This is before going into RUKU
  13. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran


    In that case, the surah (or ayaat) you read should be those that appear AFTER the Ayat ulKursi in the Holy Qur'an.
  14. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

    Asalaamu alaikum, is it permissible to recite ayatul kursi after fatiha in salah, for example reading ayah tul kursi in 1st rakah after fatiha, then reading another surah in the 2nd.
  15. Inwardreflection

    Inwardreflection Well-Known Member

    The whole Tashahudd so just until you start Darood Sharif or even part of it? Also again the whole Surah Fatiha or most- I've read if most is repeated then Sajda Sahw becomes Wajib?
  16. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Repeating the Tashahhud (except in the last Qa'adah), will necessitate offering Sajdah Sahw. (Bahar e Shariyat Volume 4).
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  17. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Repeating the Surah Fatehah, before reciting another Surah will necessitate offering Sajdah Sahw. (Bahar e Shariyat Volume 4). This is applicable in first 2 Raka'ats of the Fardh prayer, and in all Raka'ats of Witr / Nafil prayers.

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  18. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    As far as I know, Alahazrat wrote that even repeating an ayah 1000 times won't necessitate sajdah sahw.
  19. Inwardreflection

    Inwardreflection Well-Known Member

    Salaam. Ok heres one for those suffering from OCD and waswasa.....

    How much repition of verses or repition in the recitation in atahiyat or recitation in any Rukn in general exempt one from Sajda Sawh and even nullifying the Salah altogether ( infact it does)
  20. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Finish tashahhud. it's wajib to.

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