Salah queries

Discussion in 'Hanafi Fiqh' started by abu Hasan, Jun 13, 2018.

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  1. Seekers Path

    Seekers Path Active Member

    ma sha Allah beneficial thread. will contribute for the benefit of others:

    Question:
    If someone is praying in congregation - in the first sitting the Imam has rose to start the 3rd rak'ah but the muqtadi has not yet finished reciting the tashahud, should he:
    a) finish reciting the tashahud before the joining the Imam or
    b) does he stand up to follow the Imam and not finish reciting the tashahud?

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    The lower back becoming uncovered during prayer (sitr e awrah)
    - http://www.seekerspath.co.uk/?p=2742
     
  2. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Makrooh Tanzeehi

    but if you purposely fold it, then it is Makroohe Tahreemi
     
  3. OK, next question- praying in short sleeves where the elbow shows is Makruh- which type of Makruh? (presumably slightly Makruh?)
    Also, it is recorded in a narration that while travelling RasoolAllahi SalAllahu Alaihi wa Sallim wore a short sleeved upper garment so how do we reconcile the verdict with the Hadith.
     
  4. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    It is makruh because the general rule is that anything which distracts the heart or has the potential to distract the heart and shift one's concentration while in salah, it is disliked to pray in front of it. See Bahar e Shari'at (chapter of disliked actions in Salah) and also Nur al-'Idah.
     
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  5. Reference?
     
  6. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    firstly, sajdah to yourself.
     
  7. Salaam. Praying infront of mirror is Makruh, please explain. Distraction perhaps?
     
  8. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    It is Makrooh, should be avoided if possible.

    Yes.
     
  9. A_Wayfarer

    A_Wayfarer New Member

    Yes, it is permissible to pray in front of a mirror because whatever can be see in a mirror is not a picture [tasweer], rather it is a reflection (see Jadd-al-Mumtaar)
     
  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Is it allowed to pray in front of a mirror?

    What if someone praying gets dragged away from the place he was praying? Is the salah broken?
     
  11. abu nibras

    abu nibras Staff Member

    gleaned from Fatawa-Nizamia (Jamia Nizamia - Hyderabad) :

    If someone misses six prayers then he does not remain a sahib-e-tarteeb according to the shariah, and anyone who has missed less than six is still considered a sahib-e-tarteeb.

    If someone has missed six or more prayers then to become a sahib-e-tarteeb he has to make up all of his missed prayers

    fatawa-e-alamgiri ( vol-1 page-123 )
     
  12. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    salam,



    when one will become Sahib at-tarteeb if one has qadah prayers of several years;as soon as one finishes all qadah prayers or when one does not miss any prayer further for quite a long time?
     
  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    a) one who is Sahib at-tarteeb, [less than or equal to five salats pending] must join with the niyyah of nafl; and later you should pray zuhr and pray `aSr.



    b) as haroon said, using both hands invalidates salah in our madh'hab. many people jerk their pants (or kurta-long cloak) when going down for sujud with both hands; this is wrong and ala Hazrat wrote that this invalidates salat.



    however, one has to do it with one hand, and if possible inconspicously. [once, a man praying next to me took out the phone, looked at the display as to who was calling and switched it off, before putting it back in the pocket - strictly speaking, the salat is not invalidated even in such a case, though intensely disliked]



    Allah knows best.
     
  14. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    asak

    Jazak Allah, Haroon. My first question was asked because they say if you are Sahib-e-Tarteeb (which I think means that you have prayed the last 6 salahs?), you must retain the right order and pray dhuhr before 'Asr. But, if I didn't pray 'Asr with Jama'ah, it would've looked dodgy and I would've had to tell them my dhuhr is qada.
     
  15. Haroon

    Haroon Guest

    Salam Aqdas,



    1) in such a case, join the jamaat for asr and then pray your zuhr qaza afterwards.



    2) If he used both his hands to turn of the phone, then this would break the prayer according to the hanafi madhab, is what i've been taught. Therefore, his prayer would be invalid (if he was hanafi) and as we know, in the hanafi school, the prayer of the imam is the prayer of the follower.



    And also, to answer my own unanswered question, the imam must have the intention to lead people at the beginning of his salah, without which, the prayer of the follower is invalid, according to the hanafi school.
     
  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    A few more queries

    asak

    (1) I didn't pray my dhuhr and it became Qada. I went to pray Dhuhr and 'Asr. But, when I got to the prayer room, the adhan for 'Asr had been said and the jama'ah began. So, do I tell everyone I need to pray my dhuhr first (which means letting them know I made it qada) or do I remain quiet and pray 'Asr with them in jama'ah and pray dhuhr later?



    (2) The Imam's phone went off. He turned it off. Does this affect his or the muqtadi's prayer?



    Jazak Allah in advance.
     
  17. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    asak

    How would the latecomer know that the brother is praying fard? For Fajr, Maghrib and 'Isha he may be reciting loudly, but for Dhuhr and 'Asr?
     
  18. Haroon

    Haroon Guest

    Salam,



    i also have a question. Many a time i have noticed that a brother is praying on his own (fardh) and next brother comes up and taps him and becomes his follower, and then other people join the jamaat and at the end you see that everyone except the imam stands up to complete their prayer. I know this is allowed in the shafi madhab, but is it so the case in the hanafis? Because i thought not yeah, but then i see hanafi brothers also joining in.



    And like the other day i joined in (not knowing that the imam from the start did not have the intention to lead any followers) and then only realised when he did salam (because everyone except him got up). But what would have happened if say one of the followers actually caught the imam in the first rakat, so that i would have thought that the imam had the intention of the salah?
     
  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    1. it is makruh tanzihi.



    durr al mukhtar: 'if the [follower] stands on the left of the imam, [where only two pray together] it is makruh'



    radd al muHtar [vol.1 pg. 611] : it is obvious that the makruh is tanzihi as mentioned in hidaya etc, because of contradicting the sunnah. in kafi it is said: 'it permissible but it is reprehensible [asa'a].' that is how zayla`yi reports from MuHammad. we have talked about whether isa'ah [reprehensible] is less than makruh [disliked] or worser; we stated there that it is lesser than makruh taHrimi but worser [afHash] than makruh tanzihi.



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    2. according to Hanafis, the salah shoulb be invalid - the intial and the appended both. as such, salah of one raka`ah is invalid in any case. all four have to be prayed by ALL not just as a repetition; moreover it is not sufficient for sahw alone.



    [i will look up for details and review this post later for mistakes, inshaAllah.]



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    3. in this case, it is like a masjid for travelers on the road without a certain jama`ah. it is better to do with both adhan and iqamah, though iqamah should suffice.



    durr al-mukhtar: it is makruh to repeat a jama`ah with adhan and iqamah in a mosque in residential areas and it is not [makruh] in a roadside masjid or a masjid without a muadh'dhin or imam.



    radd al-muHtar (vol.1 p.595): it is makruh [taHriman] to repeat adhan and iqamah for a second jama`ah in masjids in habitats. except for those who were the rightful congregation, and did not pray first.



    if they [adhan iqamah] are repeated in masjid on the roadside, or that masjid where there isn't a permanent imam where people come in groups or batches [fawjan fawja] , the best way is for each group to pray with both the adhan and iqamah as mentioned by qaDi khan and similarly in durar.



    masjid in habitats [masjid al-maHallah] means, that which has a known imam and a certain congregation as described in durar etc,



    [aH: i have used the word 'habitat', though residences might also be used. because many masjids in marketplaces also have known imams and a definite assembly]

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    4. yes.



    durr al mukhtar: [and it is valid..] who is standing to pray behind one who is seated and can do ruku'u and sujud. because RasulAllah Sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam prayed his last Salat whilst seated, and his followers were standing and abu bakr and would repeat the takbirs loudly. this indicates the permissibility for muadhdhins to repeat the takbir loudly (act as amplifiers)



    radd al muHtar, [vol.1 pg.634] : "standing behind seated", that is one who can stand and do ruku'u/sujud or the one who prays by signs. [mu'm]; according to the [majority] except muHammad. it should be noted that 'seated' is restricted to one who can do ruku'u and sujud; if one is seated and prays by signs, it is by consensus not permitted.



    also, this difference (seated praying by signs) is debated in supererogatory prayers, where its permissibility is agreed upon by all including tarawiH as mentioned in baHr.
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2013
  20. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    asak

    (1) If there are only 2 people praying, they stand side by side (the Imam slightly in front). Does the Imam have to be on the left? What if he prayed on the right?



    (2) The Imam forgot and prayed 3 rak'ahs instead of 4. The congregation did not remind him so he did salam without Sajdah Sahw. The muqtadis told him after he ended the prayer that he had done only 3. He said, "Let's just pray one more rak'ah then". He is Hanafi. Allowed?



    (3) In our University Islamic Society, we have one adhan for each prayer. But, there are many jama'ahs. Does Iqamah have to repeated for each and every jama'ah?



    (4) Can an Imam who is sitting lead those who stand?



    Jazak Allah, Wassalam
     

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