sayyiduna ali naming his children

then what is your agenda for posting all this. aH has also asked you a lot of times.

is it just to point out the obvious?

different parents give different children different names! - is this the only point you're trying to make?!

the mods have told you to first state your objective or professed conclusion / statement

and THEN give the supporting evidence for it.

...

what you seem to be doing is just giving random quotes as supposed evidences and claim not to have any implications/conclusions of your own, with the purty lil disclaimer find your own conclusion.

you think people are stupids?!

 

phew! brother you really get wound up. take a walk or something. that is a brotherly advice. there is no implication but statement of a fact about naming of names. you can derive whatever conclusiions from it. may be in your mind there seems to be something wrong but for me like ah says they made different prefernces which doesnt mean they hated the ahl al-bayt.

 

again, if you were the lamb you portray yourself to be, you wouldn't have pretended to be oh so holy, but rather stated what exactly are your implications and what exactly your point is. so for the second time, don't dear brother me, punk! cheers again (it's a waste of breath engaging with rafizis like you).

 

dear brother, doesnt matter, i forgive you for calling me names!

 

^ again gg -- what are your implications?

what is your point?

if there is no point, then why are you talking about it through 20 posts?

i think you're a closet rafizi with bughz against the shaykhayn.

if you weren't, you would have stated what exactly are your implications and what exactly is the point you're trying to make and why!

cheers mate. (rafizis don't deserve salam)

 

so there are no names of ali or hasan or hussain named by the khulafa paak or by their children or their childrens children had other beautiful names but there are no names of ali or hasan or hussain and imam ali and imam husaain gave their children the names abu bakr, umar and usman. simple. i know, if you dont give the names then it does not mean there is animosity or hatred if you do not name on those specific names though if you name your children with those names then it does suggest love.

 

for example, when you chose your ID on this forum, you did not choose ghulam e ali or ghulam e hasan or ghulam e husayn... or even ghulam e hasanayn (or would that be redundant?).

you chose, ghulam e ghaus. now who is ghaus? i assume it is shaykh abdu'l qadir jilani. what? no ali or hasan or husayn there?

hmm.

what about pir abdul qadir jilani of walthamstow - the funny guy with terrible referencing? surely he may not have bughz of ali, hasan or husayn.

but as you say: "just as a thought why not consider it?"

 

you are entitled to your opinion. that is not my intention. it is about names, who named their children with whose names. as ah says it does not mean they didnt love them.

 

look brothers! i am merely saying that people say that hazrat ali and imam hussain named their children with abu bakr, umar and usman. of course, imam ali and imam hussain named their children with those names. i was just seeking some examples where the names ali or hasan or hussain have also been given to children by khulafa or their children or their children. simple.

if there is no ali or hussain amongst them then say it there is not. it does not mean they didnt love them but just as a thought why not consider it?

 

ha ha.

 

i love it how mohtaram and aap and janab and abu hasan sahab and sunnistudent bhai have all come down to a flustered "look man!"

as i said, i even respect a man who at least is consistent in his demeanor, even if he bashed me up.

this flip flopping only looks cute on women. a word is sufficient for MEN.

 

The issue is not just tafzil , it is more serious!

Insha Allah we will see that.{ That is why I again started these old threads}

 

@gg: you have yourself stated that naming one's children after someone is an expression of love for that someone. BUT the converse is not true, that is, NOT NAMING one's children after someone is NOT an indicator of hatred or malice for them.

if i say i love the rawza-e-anwar, it DOES mean that i love. but it does NOT mean that the ka3bah causes me an itch!

so what EXACTLY is your IMPLICATION by this line, and here, i am not asking for citations from books, just YOUR PERSONAL IMPLICATION OF YOUR OWN WORDS?

... and also this line

what EXACTLY is your implication?

as far as your response to my post is concerned, forget about history books and citations! do that in response to abu hasan's posts.

i am only interested in the IMPLICATIONS of YOUR WORDS. simple innit?

 

actually, I have read it somewhere that the name Ali was also first name given to a child like Hasan and Hussain. Can you please provide a reference for that.

look man! there are khulafa then their children then their children. it cannot be that hard to bring a couple of Alis or Hasans or hussains??

 

Jazakum Allah khayran, Abu Hasan.

I can't believe what I'm reading here!

 

you are a retard to express your wish to those people who are given the glad tidings of jannah. they took their knowledge and ma'arifah from RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. not some whimsical pir. please don't teach the sahabah what they should do.

secondly, you are ignorant of history. first check when the children of the khulafa were born and how many were males. sayyiduna abu bakr named his son muHammad - would you expect him to have named his son ali instead?

thirdly, you either ignore it, or ignorant of it, or conceal the fact that ali was also a well-known name and there are many saHabah named ali - other than haydar e karrar raDiyallahu ta'ala anhum ajma'in.

fourthly, hasan and husayn were the first ones named thus by RasulALlah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. check how many male children of khulafa were born after this and come back to argue against their practice.

 

of course, they loved each other.

naming by one is thought as loving the other. but not naming by other is not thought of as hating. the point was that specific names.

there are names that existed long before in arabia, for example, usman or fatima (the name of hazrat Ali's mother).

i just think, this naming-relation was just one way. we have umar, abu bakr, usman from Ali's children but we do not have an Ali or Hasan or Hussain in any of the khulafa's children or their children's children.

I would actually love to see this naming from the other side too of ali or hasan or hussain.

 

will fatimah do?

 

yes, that would be a pathetic argument. i am sure you are not making it, are you?

because, it is common that people love their children. (of course there are people who dislike them and hate them, but they are considered as antisocial).

and those who love their children will name them with those names they like. but this does not mean the converse is true; unless the parent has only ONE person whom they love.

obviously, your father might have given you a nice muslim name. it may contain an ahmed or a muhammad or a ali or a hasan or husayn. if it did not contain any of them, it does not mean he hates any of them - isn't it?

it would be a pathetic argument.