Shaykh Asrar: Prayer of Awam

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  1. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    Question:
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    it permitted to go on to tabligh (conveying the Message) with the Jamaatee’s (i.e. deobandis)?

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    Protecting our faith is the minimum a person can and should do and one should take a firm hold of this.

    Therefore in my opinion, to go on ‘tabligh’ with the deobandi’s is foolishness. One should always stay away from deviant groups which are known to deviate people with incorrect beliefs (contrary to the correct stance of the Ahle Sunnah wal Jama’at).

    Our scholars are strict upon this to an extent that Sayyidi ala Hazrat stated that reading behind an Imam who keeps friendship or attends their gathering is makrooh tahreeman (ahkam shariat *). Likewise I have seen in the same book – where he stated it is haram to send children to study with any deviant group.

    Allah and His messenger know best.

    * Here ala hazrat is talking about any deviant sect. Ala Hazrat continues that this Imam is a ‘fasiq e mulin’ and he is not capable of becoming an imam. In another part he said it is haram for him to become an imam

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    @abu Hasan: What is your opinon on this matter?
     
  2. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    When in a theater of dialectic warfare, assumptions will often get you shot. Perhaps the Shaykh wanted to address the issue of laypeople telling each other their salah doesn't count because of where they pray despite their unawareness of these issues.
     
  3. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    Apologies. He did not specifically say deobandi but he said mosques of different groups and labels so I naturally assumed this meant deobandi because the whole talk was targetted to them and related to creating some means of islah in the West.
     
  4. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    You quoted him yourself so it saves me the time of transcribing the talk. What did he say? Did he mention the word deo anywhere in that statement you quoted? (and no the word deo in the part of the url that says /videos doesn't count)

    If I said Sunnisoldier of Sunniport is a no good, lying, slandering punk, who loves fabricating statements and attributing them to ʿUlama, you'd hue and cry that my assertion is unfair to your original statement. Sure calling you a no good, lying, slandering punk might be a conclusion that someone who misreads the title of your post might draw, but it isn't necessarily the conclusion to draw. You'd be aghast that I drew a conclusion from your statement and attributed it to you as if you said it verbatim. It might not be an accurate assessment of you.

    More accurate to his view is that the average layperson will be held accountable to his level of knowledge.

    As a soldier, you should know that there are repercussions for spuriously attributing statements to your superior officers.
     
  5. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    Listen from 1 hour 41. https://www.facebook.com/OceansOfWisdom/videos/vb.796555170377761/547765382302764/?type=2&theater

    "At one point I was live on Ummah Channel, on television and a person asked me that in their locality they have masaajid belonging to different groups with different labels. Are they permitted to pray in those masaajid? This was the question being asked on Live televsion. I answered that person by saying: "You'll be asked according to the level of your knowledge." The person was not satisified with that answer. Why? because it did not play into his hands. Meaning infueling a secterian divide. The answer is correct. La yukallifullahu nafsan ila wusa'ha. That Allah subhana wa ta'ala does not burden a soul except according to its capacity so the capacity of a personal intellectually and spiritually. According to that capacity a person is tasked to recongise what is considered heterodox and what is considered heresy."

    "The general Muslim public is Muslim and they will not be asked regarding so many of these issues, so this does away with a majority of people. That the majority of people would only have to know the basic aspects of their faith. They will not be asked regarding which sect they belong to if they are unable to grasp the basic precepts of those sects. No. If they know those things which are known by religion by neccesity they will not be asked about so many disputes that people discuss today because so many of them will not be able to grasp those issues."


     
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  6. AR Ahmed

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  7. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    In Shaykh Asrar's refutation of the Deobandi Sect he said that the average Muslim can pray in a deobandi mosque because the awwam cannot understand the issue. Is this fatwa true?

    His proof is the verse La yukalifullahu nafsan ila wus'aha

    Would this also mean that namaz in behind the najdis in Mecca is Jaiz?
     
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