Shaykh-ul-Hadith and muHaddith

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  1. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    that was really funny
  2. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    but its even more perplexing because in his dreams he was being taught by imam suyuti himself .......... maybe he got the other 2 from imam a'zam, you just can't be sure, he has SO many teachers. in dreams.
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    a-ha! that is where the 400,000 figure tahir jhangvi picked from. in other words, he implies that he has knowledge of as many hadith a mujtahid should have.

    whether 400k hadith reached us in our age is secondary; and that jalaluddin suyuti himself had access to 200k that is what he had memorised and from which he consolidated (by removing duplicates) to about 50K in his jam'a al-jawmiy.

    if imam suyuti had access to 200,000 in 911AH, how come tahir has access to 400,000 which he claims to have "STUDIED" - unless of course, in his dreams which nobody can challenge.

    in your dreams, tahir.
  4. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

  5. Ridwi

    Ridwi Well-Known Member

    Brother I remember reading that it is stated in Ibn Qayyim’s I’lam al-Muwaqqi’īn that Imām Aĥmad bin Ĥanbal raĥimahullah gestured that 400000 Ĥadīth committed to memory would be enough to label one a mujtahid, however I don’t have the book with me to check.
  6. InshAllah--if I have the chance--I'll ask a Sunni Sahih al-`Aqida `Alim on the meaning/difference between these two `istila, inshAllah
  7. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    shaikh al-hadith or muhadith means a person who is invloved in teaching hadith. if muhadith knows 100,000 hadith with sanad and matan, he is known as hafiz al-hadith for example imam hafiz jalal ad-deen sayyuti. if he knows 300,000 ( or perhaps 500,000), he is known as hakim al-hadith (or hakim fil hadith ?). according to imam ahmed hanbal (may Allah be well pleased with him) a mujtahid should know 500,000 hadith by heart with both sanad and matan.

    just noted down from my memory, someone correct me if wrong.
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2007
  8. i heard that it was 50,000 for shaykhul hadith but can't say for sure.
  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    what do these titles mean?

    does shaykh-ul-Hadith mean headteacher of a daru'l uloom [even though he does not teach Hadith]?

    does it mean the teacher of Hadith at a daru'l uloom?

    i read that a hafidh must know 100,000 aHadith [matn, sanad]. is there such a criterion for a shaykh-ul-Hadith?

    what about muHaddith?

    or, are they just titles that refer to someone who is a scholar and learned in Hadith without taking into account how many aHadith they know?

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