Sufi Javed & Sufi Abdullah: 32 million in assets

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  1. Khanah

    Khanah New Member

    Assalaamu alaykum,

    I would also like to point something out. It seems that the £32 million figure is somewhat misleading since the net amount available is only £1.6 million, meaning that there must be around £30 million in liabilities too. It is also extremely unlikely that even a million of that is liquid.

    As for people donating money to build the mausoleum- that just shows what kind of ignorant people are around these days.

    As for the inability of this man to pronounce basic Arabic, this just goes to show how little the public know basics of the religion, otherwise an ignoramus like this would never become a shaykh of tariqa. But actually, you can find errors in tajweed amongst most people from the sub continent, including scholars. This is a wider problem that must be tackled but I'll stop there
     
  2. Jonaid202

    Jonaid202 New Member

    1. The 32 mil hasn't been proven to be public money. So proof is needed.

    2. Junaid is jahil but so is Badshah, Pir Ji the son of Badshah and the entire silsila.

    3. The trustees are corrupt like Salim the chairman and Zahid and his brother Jawed.
     
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  3. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    in this case, the hukm changes. he should either learn the correct manner or will be subject to a ruling of slighting the shariah. certainly.
     
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  5. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    I totally agree you with. Some of the issues do seem frivulous. It was just that he keeps making the same error again and again. Their murids have been contacted and say that making dua like this is jaiz if you have a sincere heart.

    As for the issue of 32 million pounds then that is disgusting that they have that much money and they still will ask the community to contribute towards the mausolem of Javed's grave which will cost much more than 1 million pounds.

    Ulama and pirs continue to promote this donkey despite being warned.
     
  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    because they are juhala.
     
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    brother, all those points are necessary to highlight and criticise. as people living closer, and perhaps being affected as a community, it is right to raise issues.

    but you have to be smart. you should focus on the serious charges and ignore things which can be dismissed as frivolous.

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    i have no idea about this sufi junaid. i clearly restricted myself to his mis-reading of an aayat/dua and said that such an error can happen to any of us. many people recite this last part of surah baqarah every night. but it could happen to any of them.

    and if it were to be caught on tape, nobody will know or care that the whole aayat was being recited every night for years by that person properly. only that one instance where the person stumbled will be highlighted, played over again and again 'demonstrating' that person's ignorance of the ayat.

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    a simple rule will reduce a lot of unfair criticism.

    ask yourself - can this happen to me? would i do it? if it is yes, i think it is fair to give the other person benefit of doubt.
    could i commit such a sin/mistake? if it would occur due to the weakness of my nafs, would i wish this to be published?

    sufi junaid could be an ignoramus - like many juhala who don the garb of gaddi-nashin, handed down from worthy fathers.

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    have we highlighted such errors of tahir etc. in the past? yes. but in the context of "giving back in kind". when he claims such and such and such and makes silly errors, we highlight it.

    for example, mufti fazl commenting on the pronunciation of names (books/people). while i agree that scholars should do research, it happens to all of us. even great men like imam bukhari have such mispronunced names in his tarikh.

    it has happened to me few years ago - while i try to make sure of names, pronunciations, etc. if there is an unfamiliar name or pronunciation, i make it a point to research why a certain appellation is given; in one case, i mistook ubbi to be ubayy and a devbandi had a jolly time deriding me for it! such people will not bother about ubbi's commentary per se which refutes them; but will dismiss my argument because i said ubayy instead of ubbi. in arabic it is written: أبي

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  8. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    People have heard Junaids murids say that if it was not for Sufi Abdullah then there would be no Alahazrat in Europe. Lahawla wa la quwatta ila billah. They also said that Sufi Javed And Sufi Abdullah grave is similar to Khawaja Moinuddin Chishti grave in terms of Faiz.

    The khadims of Ghamkol Sharif including Yasser was about to beat up the Imam on the day of Sufi Janazah because they asked Allah to forgive sufi of his sins. They said how dare you claim that sufi has sins.

    This is what I mean by cognitive dissonance which is based on inferiority complex, blind conformity and lack of study.
     
  9. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    If Junaid hasn't made anyone upset yet with lack of ilm, then he will surely make new enemies with his new-found/new-declared wealth! We public will find it hard to discover anyone's riches, even though we are rarely offended by that person's lack of qualification. I predict hard days ahead for Junaid!
     
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  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    it could be a slip of the tongue. we all make mistakes. we forget things.

    there could be other issues about the person, and i do not know - so i cannot comment.

    but inasmuch as this dua - we can be considerate. it should not be termed as 'mockery of the deen'.
    no one will say: "o Allah burden us so much that it is beyond our capability to bear".

    fuqaha discuss making errors in the recitation of the qur'an; no one said that such errors make one a kafir.

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    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
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  11. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    @abu Hasan

    Is a person who makes dua like this worthy to lead a tariqah? the elderly men on his right and left are his actual khalifahs.

     
  12. Sunni By Nature

    Sunni By Nature Active Member

    Ghamkol Sharif Masjid went downhill after the passing of Sufi Abdullah Khan, an example of this is his son Sufi Javed Akhtar not allowing Shuyukh to use the Masjid to give talks like they have been doing for years.

    The religiously illiterate kid Junaid Akhtar, Yasser Khan, Mohammed Khizar, Umar Hussain, Qamar Ali, Qasim Ali, Shahid Akhtar, Hasnain Akhtar, Lukman Ahmed, Awas Hussain, Asif Ali, the Photographer Saqib Khan and other volunteers at Ghamkol Sharif Masjid treated it as though it was their property and they had little accountability. Yasser Khan turned Junaid against his own father Sufi Javed as he believed he was unfit to run the Masjid and attempted to remove the old trustees from Sufi Abdullah's time so that Junaid could take over, they set up several charity ventures including car washes and lined their pockets with the money and went out for lavish meals and would be seen at the Masjid in the early hours of the morning with friends ordering takeaways, pizzas and watching movies and the board of trustees opposed this and appointed Saddique Hussain to oversee the Masjid.

    When this happened Junaid Akhtar attempted to take over the funeral services and when this failed he spread lies about Siddique beating a child and him and his friend King Kam orchestrated several bogus protests outside the Masjid and invited TV stations to carry out interviews at the Masjid. In 2019 Junaid's followers visited the masjid to put pressure on the old trustees to make him a trustee and after personal attacks on trustees by intimidation, lying, recording and blackmailing they gave in and made him a trustee and in September of that year Junaid opened Ghamkol Sharif UK Charity so he could use it to fund his live style whilst under the guise of collecting money.

    They went further and recruited local gangsters to forcefully enter the masjid when a security guard was hired and even tried attacking Shaykh Mohammed Aslam when he sided with the trustees and asked Junaid to hand over the Ghamkol Sharif Facebook page and social media accounts and when he refused, the Shaykh had a nee accounts made. Junaid also tried to fool people by commenting on the Shaykh’s Facebook posts and acting like he supported him and even had people take photos of him sitting in the Shaykh’s talks.

    Junaid tried getting support from the sons of Pir Alauddin Siddiqui and others when things were not going his way and, in the end, they withdrew their support when they learnt of what was going on.

    I guess Junaid’s degree came in handy for doing illicit things with the money that he has been mishandling [check the attached photo]
     

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  13. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    I read a poem not too long ago. It is about a holy man who gives a reality check to a young fake that loves acting like a thug in the streets of Detroit. His father is incarcerated and imprisoned for being a thief and a killer yet he celebrates that and wants to be like him. It reminded me of Junaid and all other fake sahibzadas.

    "You see, I take in mind your situation
    And though I never met your father
    I see a lot of his ways in your stride
    I mean, you got that “talk it like I walk it” kind of attitude
    And you know it’s real good he gave you pride
    Every son should be proud of his father
    And I look at my little one and I want the same for mine
    That’s why when I look up at you
    I see what it can go through when a father don’t take the time
    You know what I think is messed up?
    I think it’s real messed up when those people gave him all that time
    You wanna know what’s even more messed up?
    It’s for all them years that he got away from you
    Has only been a way for you
    To be more together with him in a cage in five
    That’s why I’m angry, guy
    ‘Cause he didn’t take the steps, now you chase his rep
    But them runnin' shoes ain’t both your size
    They say: "Don’t whine over spilled milk."
    But what a man 'posed to do when his baby’s cryin out of hunger'?
    Oh, he say things like, you know, “I got bills to pay!.”
    What, he too good for a payin' job?
    What was wrong with bein' a cable guy?
    A real estate agent? Why
    Was that dude to cool to go to flight school
    And learn how to fly planes through the friendly skies?
    But nah, he told you he had to do what he had to do
    To put food on y’all plate to dine
    You mean you tell me all that slangin' and bangin'
    Was to give y’all greater lives?
    When God gave him drive?
    And that Big Meech backup singing thief left you all out here alone for the latest ride?
    That don’t plague your mind?
    Them mistakes ain’t guides? And you wonder why them Shotgun Suge shells still ache your spine?
    Look what Ray Ray got Lil Jimmy out here in New York doin'
    Tell your OG Bobby Johnson
    He tried to steal from the wrong people this time,

    Somethin' to think about next time you on stage wavin' signs
    Tryin' to be like the only daddy you got
    And I understand you wanna keep his name alive
    But youngin, I’m tryin' to save you from your demise
    You said it yourself, “My pops was a real man.”
    Youngin, that ain’t no lie
    He was in the business that the system perpetuates on the side
    To keep us in the condition where we ain’t made to survive
    But you think he a saint? Well let me ask you this
    Would you kill the world to save yourself?
    Yeah, I ain't think that was wise

    Somethin' to think about the next time y’all thuggin'
    Drinkin' and druggin', hard liquor, y’all full of killas
    Remember, I tried to give him the large picture
    Your pops wasn’t no gangster, he was just another lost dude
    You think it’s real to let a mother love that dope more than her daughter?
    Shoot a father from his son, then turn around and put that boy on the corner?
    Or leave your son out here alone to fend for himself knowin' he need order?
    Is your money bein' long worth your lifespan bein' shorter? Huh?
    But I’m just tryin' to give you the large picture
    Your pops wasn’t no real man, he was just another lost dude
    I mean, your daddy, your daddy, that father title get deployed
    You know, a wise man told me that a wise man understands
    In this life you gon' either build or destroy
    And since it takes a father to raise a man-child
    Well it’s no wonder you talk all that young stuff, you a lil boy
    That don’t get the large picture
    Your pops wasn’t no gangster, he was just another los
    t dude
    Look at me, King! Look at me!
    He was so lost… you lost,
    You are all supposed to be one of the leadin' faces in battle rap
    Look how you represent..."
     
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  14. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    Sunnis must adopt a more cerebral and lucid approach which is methodological and does away with cult mentality and blind following. We need to cling on to the Ash'ari approach which is based on evidence otherwise we will also be at loggerheads with devil peers and donkey followers.

    Last year a clip was released when Junaid made a dua in front of a packed Ghamkol Sharif mosque and said "Rabana Tuhamilnaa Ma La taqatalana bi" and everyone said ameen. This is an example of blind conformity and a backward and uneducated barelwi crowd. We had the wahabiyya movement sharing this across UK.

    Every week he goes Live on Facebook and adds a sakin to the seen of hasana in the dua of Rabana atina. The unfortunate thing is that the donkeys with him have no shame that they continue to support him even though he utters kufri ibarat without knowing. These sell out molvis and shaykhs who keep promoting this donkey are also shameless.
     
  15. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    Nothing to do with mosques. In Uk mosques are charities so they have their own bank accounts. This is his own personal wealth.

    Word on the street is that Sufi Abdullahs grandson who is called Junaid the jahil was going across UK telling everyone he is going to destroy Ghamkol Mosque in court and showing them this letter.

    Peer politics
     
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  16. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Active Member

    Much of it could be Mosque buildings and lands. The residence given on the paper is very modest
     
  17. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    What's the definition of 'gross value of estate' and 'net value of estate' in uk law? Just asking for my own info.
     
  18. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

  19. Sunnisoldier

    Sunnisoldier Active Member

    Yesterday a form has bin shared everywhere of an official probate document.

    The form shows that Javed Akhtar the son of Sufi Abdullah (Ghamkol sharif) has assets worth 32 million pounds and their hav been passed onto his children after death.

    Ther were always rumors of Javed owning properties but dis is crazy.

    The wahabis are sharing this everywhere. Sunnis have been duped and Junaid is comparing his dad to Hazrat Abu bakr and Hazrat Usman radiyallahu anhum

    Junaid Akhtar who does not even have farz ain knowledge and is known to make mistakes in Rabana Atina duas is the new pir for the tariqah and has been showing the letters to mureeds and saying that he is not scared of anyone because his dad left him 32 million

    The ulaaama e kiram have to take the Masjid and assets off this corrupt family who have rinsed our communities. I used to go to Javed and ask him to hire a librarian and open a full time library in mosque and he would say that they dont have the money.

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