Taajush Shari'ah's Visit to Turkey 2014

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  1. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    They probably have been duped by the deobandi wahabis
  2. Sunni By Nature

    Sunni By Nature Active Member

    The Senior Muridun of Shaykh Mahud Effendi still sit with Deobandiyah and a group of his Murids recently visited Mawlawi Sulayman Nadwi in India
  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    which country? and are these other people political office holders?
  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    jazak Allahu khayraa

    that's what i was suspecting but thought if there was another Cubbeli . the other shaykh is Cubbeli Ahmet Hoca (i don't know if it's a friendly appellation or really his name. Cubbeli just means one with a jubba/wearing a jubba)
  5. ahlus-sunnah

    ahlus-sunnah Veteran

    A few corrections

    The Shaykhs name isn't Shaykh Mahmood Affendi its Shaykh Mahmud Ustaosmanoglu, also known as Shaykh Mahmud Effendi

    and Shaykh Jubbalis name isn't Shaykh Mahmood Jubbali its Shaykh Ahmad Jubbali, he is a Murid, Student and Khalifa of Shaykh Mahmud Effendi

    This is his website, but it seems to be down at the moment


    and this is his Facebook Page


    Shaykh Ahmad Jubbali reciting the Burda

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  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    from the pdf file:

    can anyone please tell me who this shaykh is? any facebook page, website, book etc.

    it's the bosphorus strait
  7. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    just to mention: the mufti of egypt, bukhit muTiyi in his taT'hir al-fu'ad min dans al-iytiqad, refuted ibn taymiyyah roundly. this is a foreword to the egypt edition of imam subki's work (muqaddimah) of shifa al-saqam.

    shaykh al-islam imam samnudi refuted ibn abd al-hadi in his nuSrat imam al-subki bi raddi'S Sarim al-munki.

    ibn abd al-hadi reminds me of devbandis and particularly that king of profanity, husayn ahmed tanDwi in his shihab al-thaqib.
    when he couldn't bear that his 'untouchable' shaykh was proven to be a liar who resorts to cheap frauds,* he lost all his compose and resorted to calling imam subki names. this is the scholarship and defence wahabis boast of!

    samples (from preface of shukri's edition):




    inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

    *for example he mixes up things which common people without knowledge may deem sound reasoning; but it is sleight of hand.
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  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    good question, but i don't know for sure. these are like mental notes i make when reading - and sometime later in discussions, something triggers this citation.

    however, imam subki has caught out ibn taymiyyah's lies and misrepresentations rather admirably. perhaps this is why wahabis get all worked up at the mention of shifa al-saqam. ibn taymiyyah's student ibn abd al-hadi lost his mind and began raving like a madman (Sarim al-munki) which he imagined to be a refutation of the noble imam subki - may Allah ta'ala elevate imam subki's rank; he saved this ummah from the ugly bid'ah of ibn taymiyyah.

    some examples in the same chapter imam subki referring to ibn taymiyyah explicitly and implicitly (random quotes and not contiguous):





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    Allah ta'ala knows best.
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  10. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    first of all jazakAllahu khayran. it's a post worth bookmarking to alert people who value such things. I intend to translate the english part to urdu and forward to a few people.

    just for clarification, does it mean that it's there in more than one place? if yes, do the two ms differ in this one place or more?
  11. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    ma sha Allah, the Turks. i am amazed at their steadfastness in general. its a spiritual society where the culture is based on tasawwuf. In the language, history, geography, poetry. It is extremely difficult to rid Punjab of Tasawwuf or Turkey of Tasawwuf, for example. Their Sunnism is just too strong, The societies are just too big like that of China or Japan.

    Afghanistan is another major example, or Uzbekistan.

    in an Arab country, for example, Egypt, and Sudan [ more in Sudan ], this is found at a local level. This is the case in Morocco, and interior regions of Algeria, Libya, and Mauritania. Its also found among Palestinians, Syrians, and Iraqis. It is found in the Gulf Countries, but to a very low degree due to sparse population density, and there only in big cultural, historic families, especially the Iranian Sunni Community in Khaleej
  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i have two printed copies of shifa al-saqam of imam subki - an old version and a new DKI version. and two PDFs - a new DKI version (husayn shukri ed.) and an old edition (1315AH) printed from hyderabad.

    according to the editor (shukri), his edition is based on two manuscripts one by which is attested by the author himself and attested by the author's son (both subkis); and another which was copied for the shafiyi imam, hibatullah baarizi which according to shukri has omissions and transpositions - and he compared with thé hyderabad edition - which i suspect (i.e., aH) the source for prevalent editions of the book.

    now, in the seventh chapter, and second section of the book, where he mentions ibn taymiyyah quoting from ibanah of ibn baTTah. i do not know who inserted "raHimahullah" with ibn taymiyyah's name. even though it is largely absent in many other places of the book where imam subki mentions him; in fact, imam subki reprimands ibn taymiyyah but this little tweak (i assume is a tweak) makes it look that imam subki was approving of ibn taymiyyah.

    i really do not know whether this is an insert, or whether it really exists in the manuscript of imam subki's attestation.

    dayiratul ma'arif, hyderabad, 1315 edition, p.108

    DKI edition, husayn muhammad ali shukri ed., p.335
    shifsaq,shukri.jpg .

    Allah ta'ala knows best.

    ps: ibn taymiyyah died 728AH. the first ms is supposed to be read out to the author in 740AH. his son attests to having heard the first 4 chaps in 745AH. imam subki passed away in 756AH.
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  13. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    someone told me that this malady is common in the modern day shuyukh of azhar. When they write fatawa they try their best to give an impression that they are mujtahids and it doesn't help that their are several shuyookh in egypt who openly claim to be mujtahids!

    On one of his visits Shaykh Said Foudah challenged the shuyukh of azhar that whoever considers Ibn Taymiyyah a shaykh-ul-islam or a great savant amongst the sunnis should come forward for an open discussion with him. No one dared to take up the challenge although many of them look up to ibn taymiyyah.

    If only subcontinent scholars/students of knowledge worked hard enough on the miraas that our elders have left for us, they would surely be the more learned and formidable in terms of scholarship than their counter parts in other parts of the world. The golden age like that of the dehlavis and mujaddid alf-thaani would return!
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  14. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator


    Mawlana Waqar Ahmad Azizi narrates a similar incident which occurred at masjid al-haram. Hazrat was circumambulating the ka'ba with a handful of people, it being a time when people do not normally come to the haram shareef, but the noor emanating from his blessed face (may Allah ta'ala preserve him and grant us his barakah in both worlds) attracted several strangers who were present in the masjid and in no time a sizeable group had gathered behind him all going round the ka'ba in the form of a procession led by hazrat sahib.


    brother chisti-raza was present on this trip :)
  15. Rumi786

    Rumi786 ghulam-i-Shams-Tabrizam

    thanks for the travelogue. was interesting reading.
  16. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

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