tahir jhangvi and his translation of the qur'an

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    yeah whatever...
     
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  2. Aqdas

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  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I was going through translations of Nisa 4:76 (which I quoted in ubaidullah fatwa thread a while ago) and stumbled on jhangvi's:

    Those who believe fight in the way of Allah (for the restoration of peace and elimination of oppression and exploitation), and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Satan (for evil and mischievous objectives). So, (O believers,) fight against Satan’s allies (the enemies of humankind). Surely, Satan’s maneuvering is ineffective.

    see how the the devil has made the verse palatable to the kuffar by adding brackets which do not explain but change the meanings of the words!
     
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    exactly. it is not a phrase to describe fazilat and hence his claim of a 'superior translation' goes down and downer.

    and his blind followers accuse ulama e Haqq of being jealous. mawlana jalali sahib rightly asked: 'is liyaqat pe kis ko hasad ho sakta hai?'
     
  5. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    why not? TuQ is descending into the pits of hell, further down, and further down, every passing moment..............

    so it can be said of him (TuQ)

    neech professor aur bhi neeche utrey
    neechey se aur neechey utrey,
    utertey gaye, aur neech hote gaye
    neechon ke nichle sub se neech ho gaye..............
     
  6. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    My post is the opinion of a qualified Mufti. The way TuQ has been changing deen, it tantamounts to proclamation of prophet-hood.

    This is same stance of Peer Meher Ali Shah (& perhaps Peer Jamaat Ali Shah), regarding the scoundrel Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi.
     
  7. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    True -2 of them are my close friends - one in Karachi, one in Riyadh.
     
  8. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    someone told me, that an aalim who was also a professor was offered some money by mq to author a book for tq but he refused.
     
  9. Serious question to TuQ's acolytes: he is a 'dr' and a 'prof'. what was his PhD thesis in, from which university, in which year and how did he then become a professor? i mean, usually you have to publish in reputable journals in your field and teach at a university for at least a decade to become a 'professor' unless you are a genius like John Nash and then they give you your professorship a bit earlier.

    These are simple questions so i hope one of the prof's students or followers can clarify.
     
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    we pray the fitnah doesn't grow any further.
     
  11. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    If someone tries to change the basic tenets of the pristine shariah or formulates a new "aqeedah" against the established basic aqaaed, he has implicitly proclaimed himself a Nabi.

    @Aqib qadri

    Not quite yet...but TuQ's trajectory is on a very dangerous path:
    first dr, then Allama, the Shaykh ul Islam, then Mujtahid, then Mujaddid, now taking first steps on Deen-e-Ilahi idea especially in trying to please the west...........we wait for the next declaration soon!
     
  12. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    TuQ's translation isn't credible as he has added in so much extra in brackets to try and explain what he is trying to say. It exposes his lack of control in both arabic and urdu. As well as Kanzul Iman, Muhaddis-e-Azam-e-Hinds translation of the Quran in Urdu which is called 'Ma'ariful Quran' is very concise and clear.
     
  13. khamah angusht ba dandaN ke ise kya likhiye
    naTiqah sar ba giribaN ke isey kya kahiye!

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    this is ghalib, right?
     
  14. It appears all those who said in the past that Tahir Padri never authored any of the books carrying his name and that they were written by other groups of scholars were right!

    What a joker!
     
  15. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    If someone tries to change the basic tenets of the pristine shariah or formulates a new "aqeedah" against the established basic aqaaed, he has implicitly proclaimed himself a Nabi.
     
  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Allahumma ajirnee min an-naar -

    cardinal's translation would be ...
     
  17. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Alhamdulillah the shaykh touches on the important point that this guy is a junior mirza in the making, that some of us mentioned here too earlier on. It starts on pg 125 of pdf file (pg 246 of printed book) and the shaykh shows brilliantly the parallels between the rise of the mirza and the rise of his disgrace, the qardinul.

    As they say, imitation is the truest form of flattery. Also there's no safer way of ensuring a certain outcome, than duplicating the same actions that led to that outcome in the past. I have no doubt in my mind that this guy is an agent, just like the mirza was. "They" probably noticed that claiming to be mehdi and/or prophet would not attract a large following, so the safer and better option is to claim to be mujtahid and mujaddid, the rest of the modus operandi being the exact same as the mirza's. That's the only tweak and fine tuning in this whole game, and this little tweak would also ensure that a much larger number of people can be misguided and misled as opposed to with the claim of mehdi/nabi option.
     
  18. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    There is a very detailed video refutation of Tahir. It is the most detailed refutation there is at the moment. Mufti Ghulam Sarwar alayhi rahmah provides an in-depth anaylsis of many of Tahir's works. He displays the works for all to see with many disputed and controversial passages.
     
  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    n p.55 there is a very amusing passage. apparently, professor, doctor, etecetera, mujtahid, mujaddid has written in his book that Allah ta'ala is ajeer. mufti sahib explains it best:

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    Professor Tahir seems to think that the etymology of yujiru in the qur'an is from ajr therefore, he has written in his tasmiyatu'l qur'an on p.102: "that Allah ta'ala is ajeer and mu'tiy is clearly explained from the hadith, as RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam has said: "i am the distributor (qasim) and Allah is the Giver (mu'Tiy)"

    naTiqah sar ba giribaN ke isey kya kahiye!
    the tongue is agape: "what can i say?"*

    the professor has added a new name to the names of Allah ta'ala, and that is Ajeer. according to new findings of minhaju'l qur'an and the result of the scholarly efforts of the mujtahid Islamic thinker, they have found out a new name for Allah ta'ala after 1400 years. so far, muslims were under the impression that ajeer means 'a person who takes remuneration' or 'hired' or 'employee.' but now Ajeer is a name of Allah ta'ala. even though professor has said earlier [in another work] that Allah ta'ala does not take any recompense from anyone, yet, this name is given to Him [by the professor].

    laa Hawla wa laa quwwata illa billah.
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    'flabbergasted' 'natiqah sar ba gareban' is literally 'the tongue has fallen out to the collar'
    khamah angusht ba dandaN ke ise kya likhiye
    naTiqah sar ba giribaN ke isey kya kahiye!

    the pen bites its finger: what to write?
    the tongue fallen out: what can i say?

     
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  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    mufti sahib discusses in detail and measures how deep is maa in tahir's knowledge on page 46 of the printed book, which i hinted thus:
    even a beginner of arabic grammar (like myself, for example) can clearly see that tahir and arabic grammar are on two different planets.
     

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