Tahir Minhaji Boasting! New Video

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  1. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Think you have missed a vital point. Sayyiduna Ghaus-e-Azam Radiallahu Taala Anhu used to travel huge distances within a fraction of time during his age. So for a person who claims to have been given personal tuition in his dreams by many great awliya kiraam, one can only say that he is being modest in his claim!

    In his 1980's dream video we have learnt that at that time he was the only true alim left in Pakistan. Surely today after these decades the situation is far worse. Who knows, Qiyamat may arrive soon after his death when there will be no guidance left in this world. Perhaps its best not to "sit silently" as one person suggested, but spend the time doing the ziyarat of this blessed personality. After his demise if we're lucky he might bless us with his personal tuition in our dreams :)
     
  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the whole speech is empty rhetoric and sounds deeply hollow. a quick assessment:
    tahir only works on conjectures and assumptions and passes them off as knowledge. here there are two accusations:
    one, they did not make any sunni - how do we verify that?
    two, they did not do anything worthwile only ejected people from sunni faith - any proof?
    as anyone can tell, such claims are very difficult to prove. unless tahir has (or his organisation has) met every sunni that lived in the lifetime of those whom he accuses (whoever they may be), it is difficult to say that they did not make any sunni. unless of course he is informed by waHy. same goes for the second.

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    "this path is not barelwi; its name is not barelwiyat."

    no dispute. our ulama have said this before. tahir is simply repeating it and trying to take credit for this; hello, wakey up professor. we know this and have been saying this for years. when ihsan the liar wrote 'al-barelwiyah' ulama responded to it - and mawlana akhtar raza khan was arrested on this basis in saudi. if tahir is festering in his own little pond which he thinks is the world's greatest knowledge, it is not our fault.

    we recommend: 'min aqayidi ahli's sunnah' of the late mawlana abdu'l hakim sahib, may Allah ta'ala have mercy upon him and reward him plentifully.

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    "after him [alahazrat] we won't listen to any contractor. no one person is a sole contractor for this path of ahl e sunnat [thekedar=contractor literally; but idiomatically meant as someone who acts as he owns something. usually abstract things like honesty, faith etc. 'don't act as if ahl e sunnat is your personal property']

    fine. who is asking you to listen to thekeydars? we have been telling you not to listen to theykedars like benazir and others. and will you please give us proof that ulama e ahl e sunnat have claimed that it is their property? all they tell you is to follow the same ulama whose names you ostentatiously use.

    "we won't accept any fatwa-issuer."

    strange speech from someone who calls himself a scholar. only ignoramuses who have no knowledge of deen talk like that. then why did he release his 'fatwa' on terrorism? if any minhaji tries to sell you that (btw, full fatwa costs money) tell him: 'kisi fatwa-baaz ko nahiN maantey'.

    "if we are not sunni, then no mother has given birth to a sunni on this earth."

    in the south, we call such expressions as: chillar. [loose change] there is no proof, just claim. standard chillar politician.

    "ask us, what sunni means." [or what ahlu's sunnah means]

    why? are you the thekedar? and you told us not to listen to any thekedar. un ke ba'ad hum kisi thekeydar ki baat nahiN maantey

    "today, if there is plague and destruction on ahle sunnat, narrow-minded fatwa-issuers are responsible for it."

    sub'HanAllah! generalisations and just throwing up. bazari bateN.

    rather, i [aH] will say something which can be corroborated by hadith: if there is plague and destruction on ahle sunnat, it because of ignorant speakers who talk without knowledge or restraint, and peddle their ignorance brazenly like donkeys eat garbage.

    oh, yes. i am not hinting anything. tahir is the biggest example of such jaahil speechmakers - among many others. may ALlah ta'ala save ahle-sunnat from such scum.

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    "you dare question our aqidah? we, who are sustained day and night on the morsels of ghaws-paak [shaykh abdu'l Qadir]"

    more claims. even though this fellow blatantly contradicts ghaws e aazam, he has the audacity to claim that he is sustained by him. mirza qadiyani claimed ilham directly from Al-Qadir, why is he scorned then? why should people believe tahir jhangvi's claims of help from ghaws and reject qadiyani's claim of ilham?

    i mean are people so stupid? what is the proof?

    "i swear by the Greatness of Allah; this is all blessing due to ghaws e azam"

    NOTE: this is a generic statement - he is not swearing for anything specific. even though ghaws e a'azam himself said that it is adab of muridin to not swear an oath.

    here he says
    what a humbug. which hadith is this? this contradicts the sahih hadith where RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said, 'my intercession is for sinners' and ulama have said (also deriving from other hadith) that it includes enormities: drunkards, adulterers and murderers as well.

    even in the case of one who attributes a lie to RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, which is perhaps the highest in tawatur, the Master sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said: "one who attributes a lie to me, let him prepare for hellfire" neither did he say that paradise is forbidden, nor exclude him from intercession. anyone with basic islamic knowledge will reject this as nonsense; nonsense in your face - but people will close their eyes.

    so what about tahir lying about RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam permitting christians to pray?

    "ghaws paak gave me a portion of the blessing he received from RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam"

    no proof again? what form of the 'portion'? did he give you his blessed saliva too? or did he say: 'go i give you a portion?' even if it is a dream, can you please give some details. don't tell us that you are not accustomed to mentioning minute details of dreams.

    why so modest?

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    "what do you know what the madh'hab of ahl e sunnat means? one does not become great just by being the son of a great man."

    more stupidity - next time he mentions his own father or his teachers, just tell them this bland line. 'baDon ka shagrid ban'ne se koyi baDa nahiN ban jata'.

    nevertheless we don't dispute this. but who are you talking about anyway? if your snide remarks are about mawlana akhtar raza khan or mawlana zia'ul mustafa [who refuted him,] let us do a reality check whether they are following their elders or not:

    did either of them ever defy alahazrat on these issues:
    - keeping a fistful of beard; otherwise fasiq, not eligible for imamat

    - music is haram

    - listening to music/singing by fussaq is haram

    - keeping our islamic identity and not playing bhai-bhai with other religions

    - sitting with uncovered women (for example, with benazir) is impermissible

    - hobnobbing with corrupt politicians, or even politicians is disliked

    - praising corrupt politicians and acting like a puppy in front of them is abhorrent

    - never went against a major issue in fiqh that is considered as ijma'a and challenging imam a'azam

    - going to shiah gatherings and playing to their gallery is impermissible

    - acting like a rafidi and mouthing their putrid myths impermissible

    - insinuating against sayyiduna abu bakr in the manner of a tafdili is not sunniyat

    - praising ibn taymiyah and implicitly endorsing his ideas is not sunniyat

    - praying behind wahabis, devbandis and a dilly-dally unclear position on devbandi elders who committed blasphemy is a sulah kulli

    - allowing people to prostrate to you is haram

    - celebrate christmas is haram/kufr [depends]

    - interfaith gathering and encourage people of other religions to call upon 'their own god as they used to say' is haram/kufr

    - wear top hats, and christian priest headgear and such specific clothes to religious leaders of other faiths? khilaf sunnah

    - cut a christmas cake?

    now mr.tahir, tell us which of the above do you accuse the 'sons of great men'? did these 'sons of great men' do any of the above, and thereby went against their forefathers? go ahead and give us a list of what you think are the points on which the 'sons of great men' have contradicted their forefathers.

    if you cannot, you will be deemed a liar. and liar is forbidden to enter paradise according to your weird knowledge. looks like an esoteric mix of ismayil dihlawi and mirza qadiyani with a little sir syed sprinkled for garnishing.

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    "nuh alayhi's salam also had a son, about whom [Allah ta'ala] said: 'verily, he is not in your family'

    it should be noted that tafsir (or for that matter any islamic discipline) has never been tahir's strong point. this is a serious allegation. the son of sayyiduna nuH `alayhi's salam had become a kafir and belied his own father. is he accusing righteous ulama of having become kafir? ironically, in this very talk, he was moaning of others ejecting people from sunniyat.

    on what basis does tahir level this ugly allegations against ulama of ahlu's sunnah? it appears that this man does not believe in judgement day.

    "my path is congruent with that of shah ahmed raza khan."

    this is what we have been saying and you don't listen, you moron. ahle sunnat jo maslak e alahazrat hai. ahle sunnat which was the path of alahazrat.

    "he did not write that he was baraylawi"

    false. alahazrat wrote everywhere that he was a baraylawi. he was a baraylawi and so is mawlana akhtar raza khan. and there is nothing wrong with him being baraylawi. otherwise, you will have to start with hasan al-baSri, al-bukhari, al-qushayri, al-sijistani, al-tirmidhi, and al-sirhindi and al-jilani and al-shazili.

    if you are ashamed of being a jhangvi, don't expect others to be too. get your facts right dumbo.

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    the rest of his claptrap about barelwi maslak is pointless.

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    "i am the student of alahazrat by three routes. what are you talking about!"

    our response:
    aap kya jaaneN sunniyat kya hai? baDon ka shagird ban'ne se koyi baDa nahiN ban jata. baDey jab bantey haiN shagird jab baDoN jaise chaleN. nuh alayhi's salam ka bhi ek beta tha, jis ko farmaya: 'innahu laysa min ahlik'

    what do you know what the madh'hab of ahl e sunnat means? one does not become great man by just being a student of a great man. students become great only when they follow the path like their teachers. nuh alayhi's salam also had a son, about whom [Allah ta'ala] said: 'verily, he is not in your family'.

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    and in my dreams alahazrat gave me his blessings directly, and made me his student.

    yeah dream on bozo. so you expect us to swallow that bilge? just a small question, if you see RasulALlah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and receive something, does it make you a Sahabi? you talk of receiving sanad from imam suyuti, and i recommend you to ask your minions to read and translate a small fatwa for your perusal. ask them, they will know (and we know you are incapable).

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    he has the staff of Musa...

    question: what is the sharayi Hukm of using such expressions?

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    which fatawa are you talking about pea-brain?

    "the certificate of ghaws al-azam is enough for us. the certificate given to me by imam suyuti is enough for us; imam yusuf ibn ismayil nabhani is enough."

    hallucinations. i don't want to even comment on this - except that i have never come across any scholar trying to prove himself by citing isnads from dreams.

    if deluded people can suspend their intelligence and blindly believe this, little we can do to help.

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    "i have, in the world of dreams - i swear an oath by the Greatness of Allah ta'ala. i swear an oath by the pristine footwear of the Prince of Creation - in the world of dreams, i have studied under abu hanifah for 9 years."

    sigh. it reminds me of a certain "kahduN? kahduN?"

    the very first question that springs to mind is, did he reach up to kitabu'l ayman when reading under imam abu hanifah?

    and as AQ pointed out, is it permissible to swear by anything other than Allah ta'ala and His Attributes or Names?

    but what is worse is this: anything that is taken to swear by is considered as respectable, dear, honourable etc near oneself. after swearing an oath by the Greatness of Allah ta'ala, he swears in the same breath by the footwear of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

    sheikhul-minhaj doesn't know the basic masayil of yamin, but at least he should have the common sense and basic adab of not mentioning footwear alongside the Greatness of Allah ta'ala? astaghfirullahi'l azeem.

    and did he bother to ask imam a'azam the mas'alah of diyat during these reveries?

    as shaykh jalali sahib says: why will ulama e haq be jealous of such ignorance? i add: such humbug?

    but tahir in another clip claims that he slept for only three hours and in another segment of the same clip, he did not sleep the whole night. but still he managed to pray tahajjud. once again, sheikul islam doesn't know the basic mas'alah of tahajjud. he claims to be a 'direct' student of alahazrat - if he wants i can give him the reference in fatawa ridawiyyah where to find this mas'alah. listen to his romantic* narration here:

    when was he seeing these dreams? when are these 9 years? was it one minute every day or 8 hours per day?

    gentlemen, there are people of knowledge who are frauds; but this is an ignorant fraud.

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    whosoever questions my being a hanafi, should doubt their own selves.

    for qiladah.



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    *digression: in this clip, @3:33 he says he used to be busy studying from 3am to 11pm. @4:15 he says, when he was back in his home (college days) he would stay up the whole night. also at 5.20 he talks about his A-levels when he traveled from jhang to faisalabad. sorry, but it is difficult to swallow. 80km in 1 hour in the 1960s?

    i will be surprised if road conditions and bus capabilities in those days permitted such speeds. in our times, on a smooth asphalt road (one-way) it takes an hour to reach 80kms in cars that can hit 100kmph. not a big issue, but let us assume he is telling the truth. my point is only to show how much the professor exaggerates his own achievements.

    i sometimes think he has NPD.
     
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  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i think with nazim about to pull the pin, this character is yearning to be the next sultan as-sufliyaa, or perhaps that chair might be awarded to kabbani, and this guy will be "mujaddid" of the dirty hippies.

    it's clear he wants to be in the dirty hippy 3ulamaa as-soo global board room! Allah knows best, but it is a possibility, in our lifetimes we might see this guy as being on the kafir-media & politicians sanctioned list of "top 10 greatest, most moderate and most influential Muslims"

    may Allah disgrace the 3ulamaa ad-dalal and seize their fitnah. Ameen bijaahi nabiyyil ameen.
     
  4. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Signs from the Holy Quran mentioning oaths that carry no weight:

    Heed not the type of despicable men,- ready with oaths, (Al-Qalam: 10)

    They have made their oaths a screen (for their misdeeds): thus they obstruct (men) from the Path of Allah: truly evil are their deeds. (Al-Munaafiqoon: 2)

    They have made their oaths a screen (for their misdeeds): thus they obstruct (men) from the Path of Allah: therefore shall they have a humiliating Penalty. (Al-Mujaadila: 16)

    And those who believe will say: "Are these the men who swore their strongest oaths by Allah, that they were with you?" All that they do will be in vain, and they will fall into (nothing but) ruin. (Al-Maaida: 53)

    They swear their strongest oaths by Allah that, if only thou wouldst command them, they would leave (their homes). Say: "Swear ye not; Obedience is (more) reasonable; verily, Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do." (An-Noor: 53)

    And take not your oaths, to practise deception between yourselves, with the result that someone's foot may slip after it was firmly planted, and ye may have to taste the evil (consequences) of having hindered (men) from the Path of Allah, and a Mighty Wrath descend on you. (An-Nahl: 94)
     
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  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    in another boasting video where he claimed he was the first to do something, he was saying: allamah saweti. his aalam-e-ruya might probably mean day-dreaming; aalam e awham.

    an easy way to test this 'training' is a munazarah on one of imam suyuti's books on usul al-hadith. someone should challenge him for a munazarah to test his knowledge of tadrib ar-rawi - i don't think he will be able to answer a few key questions in that book.

    also, that very suyuti (raHimahullah) in his specifications for mujaddid insisted on the various arabic sciences. even beginner-students of arabic know that tahir doesn't know basic arabic grammar and stumble at mubtada-khabar. mawlana jalali has challenged him to prove his arabic skills.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
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  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    In another of his 'dars-e-hadith' he says he received dream-training in hadith sciences from Imam Suyuti for 3 years ! At this rate the person must've been asleep for half his life..lol. I am reminded of the story of the monk who used to take a nap after lunch.....

    yeah thats his star act: sham modesty. He can't bring himself to tell his foolish slaves to stop screaming 'mujaddid' at every alternate sentence. And heres what a truly modest person did:

    some people from our city sought clarification from dawat-e-islami about some muballighs claiming that mawlana Ilyas is a mujaddid and he replied:

    " By Allah, I am NOT a mujaddid, I am the slave of a mujaddid. If some muballighs wrongly call me a mujaddid owing to their reverence for me I am not answerable for that..." etc etc.

    ahem..
     
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    o, poor, simple-minded muslim! your consideration for fellow-muslims is admirable. and it is this weakness people like tahir exploit.

    dreams are valid if they are consistent with what we see in real life. it is a well-known principle of dream interpretation that one should also consider the state of the person narrating the dream. in an oft-quoted example, a man came to ibn sirin and said that he heard the adhaan in his dream; he said: 'you will go to Hajj.' the first man hadn't left, when another came and said that he had heard the adhaan in his dream. ibn sirin asked him to swear an oath that he had really seen so. when he did, he ordered the man to be seized and said that he was a thief. same dream, two interpretations; and this is on the basis of the 'state' of the person.

    if tahir was fully compliant with shariah, and was not attacking the pristine shariah of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, we could deem this as a glad tiding. unfortunately, his dreams are not corroborated by his real-life antics.

    ask yourself: tahir attributes an ugly lie to RasulAllah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam, to prove his misguided actions. sub'HanAllah! would RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam ever PERMIT unislamic prayers? i cannot understand how people can digest this.

    how naive can you be? tahir is the accused, the jury, the witness and the judge. he sees a dream, that he advocates as witness to his greatness and issues a judgement: 'hence he is great.' why don't you follow devbandi dreams? and recently albani dreams?

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    why are you confused? RasulAllah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam ordered you to be with the jama`ah. only those who do not have a mind of their own, or choose to be wilfully blind and refuse to see the truth or recklessly seek dunya will be confused about tahir. anybody with a basic knowledge of islamic fundamentals and fiqh will recognise the sham of tahir.

    you have strange standards. you are willing to make a call on a man like mawlana akhtar raza khan, who insists on shari`ah and the path of ahlu's sunnah - but you are willing to keep silent about a charlatan, a fraud on the basis of dreams that HE himself claims. you would side with a man who shamelessly acts in a slavish and sycophantic manner with an unscrupulous politician (benazir) - but you would criticise mawlana akhtar raza khan sahib who is famous for being strict in observing shari`ah.

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    still, even if we assume that he is telling the truth, there are various possibilities - of half truths. let us examine this speech before passing judgements and taking stands.
     
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    it's a give-away to say that Ala Hazrat did not write Rizwi after his name.

    is the public really that dumb in hyderabad too? at least the poor western Muslims and converts have an excuse of not being exposed to such blatant quacks and seeing the toughness of life as in india and such conmen.

    so did Imam Abu Hanifa ever write Hanafi after his name?

    did Ghawthe A3zdham ever write Qadiri after his name?

    he should know better the Sunnis refutation against the idiot wahabis who say left, right and center "Was the Prophet a Hanafi or Shafi3i or Qadiri or Shadhili etc?"

    :mod edit:

    poor guy! he's so flustered he's literally frothing at the mouth in anger! how many times does he have to wipe away the froth from his face. lol, he really took those 6 and 7 feet tall posters to heart!

    and i love those multicolored post it notes he has stuck on to various different pages on his books. that truly is an upgrade from ghost writing - ghost bookmarking!

    the mirza of the qadianis and others like him.

    the Prophet has said that taking an oath can sell your products but there is no barakah in the sale (that is if you're telling the truth afaik, the case of false oath being a kabirah).

    in the case of these mureeds of abu jahal, they are lying under oaths! you can imagine the loss of barakah from their lives.

    by the way, it is haram to take an oath by the Prophet. an oath is only taken by Allah. read the books of fatawa of scholars.

    speaking of fatawa of scholars, also see what they have said regarding using dreams to issue verdicts! in short, a dream is not a source of legislation in Islam. you do the rest. you do love reading after all, and are an over-charged, over-driven intellectual, after all!

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    if someone doesn't like a fatwa of kufr against him, he should tackle the points made against him and prove from the ways of all those big names he dropped - what is the ruling on him and his ways in light of Quran, Sunnah and their fatawa?

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    abu Hasan is right that the dumb public can't catch his double standards. so yes the "Barelwi" tag is not allowed to be used perhaps for hikmah reasons. why then do his idiot jahil mureeds call themselves "minhajians"? was Jalaluddin Suyuti a "minhaji"?

    just to add to that, the munafiqeen of the Prophet's time sat in his mosque, claimed to study from him, and claimed to be companions.

    it's not just the names of big scholars that the munafiqeen have used, now or in the past.

    using names means absolutely nothing if you can't back up your claims of being on the ways of the greats.

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    as for his using the names of Imam Abu Hanifa, Ghawthe A3zdham and Ala Hazrat to say they blessed him in dreams:

    may these very personalities unleash their curses and wrath on this guy and may the world see him destroyed. Ameen bijaahi nabiyyil amin!

    Lol... it's a real first he's studied under Imam Abu Hanifa's tutelage for 9 years in dreams. So now no one can question if he has ever completed Darse Nizami or not. after all, he's done better than that in dreams.

    i love it how he keeps mentioning his dreams and says - "i didn't want to say it but..."

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    on another note, humble people of the ummah do not respond to personal attacks and low blows, it's only the munafiqeen who are worried about their image in front of people and the Quran mentions this directly. if he thought a low blow was taken at him, and if he really was on the ways of those big names he mentioned....

    here's another annoyed one braying after being visibly annoyed at someone taking a dig at him, lol:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Fsx7oUjlFjc

    didn't all these ego-maniacs learn in school - 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but words don't hurt me'?
     
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  9. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    is that his white bodyguard behind him?
     
  10. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    @Naqshbandijamaati
    Brother, I appreciate your point but didn't A'la Hazrat (Blessings Be On Him) refer to wahhabis as 'najdis' in his poetry 'najdiyo kalma parhane...'? He didn't have an issue with describing a particular school of thought by using the name of the place of its founder.

    Also no Shaykh or Pir who has control over his ego will ever say that you should name a Silsila after his name or use his place of abode as a synonym for Sunnism. Most silsilas that I am aware of have started after the demise of a Saint. And bear in mind it was the deobabdis who started to use 'Barelwism' initially to describe people who held the same faith as A'la Hazrat not sunnis.
     
  11. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    How do you know this?
     
  12. what kind of person would take a qasam on the Prophet and then lie?
    I dread the thought! I already said i disagree with his unity stunts. But I just want to be open minded on it. after all, Allah isn't going to ask me on Qayamat what did you think of TuQ being a Sunni or not?
     
  13. subhana Llah, all the open, blatant inter-faith statements and deeds, and yet some 'dream' causes you to forget all of that!
     
  14. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    That's a serious claim brother! can you back it up with exact quotes? Please be careful of attributing positions to ulema based on heresay. We don't want to play into the hands of the wolves who wish to distance the sheep of RasulAllah (alayhi salaatu wattasleem) from the ulema-e-haqq.

    And all those asaneed TuQ claims to have been given. Why does he not do us a favour by telling us exactly who among the torch-bearers of ahlussunnah used to celeberate christmas, conduct multifaith-zikrs etc. etc.?

    no one expected him to revere the fatawa of kufr against him. so he isn't being a hero of sorts if he throws them away.

    you know what, i'm done with electric-lights, eloquence and tall claims. first zakir naik and now TuQ. inshaAllah, i won't fall for the same trick a third time.

    wallahuA'lam.
     
  15. Taalib-e-Ilm

    Taalib-e-Ilm Well-Known Member

    why do you hesitate? his misguidance is as clear as the shining sun.

    so many Ulema have said he is misguided and many have said his misguidance has reached kufr.

    he ran away from muhadith-e-kabeer, I mean, is that a sign of a truthful man?
     
  16. i have to say--though i am not a fan of dr tahir minhaji's --and deplore his changing spots to suit the audience--but he is right here when he says ala hazrat never referred to himself as barelvi but only as ahle sunnat w'al jamaat and there is a group of sunni ulema from Bareilly who say to all and sundry 'if you disagree with ala hazrat on any matter at all then you are not a sunni anymore!' including such people as mawlana hazrat ilyas qadri etc. these fanatics have allowed him to say this.


    i also agree with his sentence, 'baRon ka beTa hone se koii baRa nahin ban jaata.' he is spot on there i'm afraid!

    that sentence can be applied to almost all of the descendents of the great saints of the past who are alive today and living off the names of their ancestors.

    i have to say i have criticised him a lot but i hesitate when a Muslim takes Allah's qasam that he had such dreams and got the approval of such great personalities. now i am confused. Allah knows best about him but from now on i will keep my silence (although i still disagree with his unity conference and the shenanigans there.)
     
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  17. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    One other point; A'la Hazrat (Blessings Be On Him) not writing he was a 'Barelwi' is fine as far as it goes but Abdul Wahhab Najdi never wrote he was a 'Wahhabi/Najdi' yet all those with his beliefs are labelled as such, same with qadianis, deobandis etc - ocassionally when a belief becomes very closely associated with a person or area it becomes synonymous with that person or place. The faith of Ahle Sunnah became so closely associated with A'la Hazrat for the work he did in defending it that people started referring to the Ahle Sunnah beliefs as barelwi. There shouldn't really be a problem with this unless your aim is to term everyone a 'Muslim' regardless of whether they are a Wahhabi, Qadiani etc etc which has been TuQ's goal and which has led to the fatwas against him which goes directly against the teachings of A'la Hazrat - and its highly unlikely that A'la Hazrat would be passing anything to TuQ in a dream with the view he holds.
     
  18. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    Oh dear Oh dear! so so angry - obviously he's been rattled a bit by the allegations against him and instead of dealing with those specifically he lashes out and worst of all we get more talk of dreams and what he has been given in those dreams. Sad when a supposed scholar has to hit the dream button to convince others of his argument!
     
  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    smart move by the clever politician tahir. use a valid point to further his agenda. use names, make claims and the dumb public is in your pocket.

    "if we are not sunni, then no mother has given birth to any sunni. ask us what sunniyat means."

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    tahir is exploiting a vulnerability that has been highlighted by mawlana madani miyan for years. 'maslak e alahazrat' will be used against you. it may sound nice and cozy among followers, but the label can be used to attack us and brand us a different group. unfortunately rizwis insist on this - and like it or not, tahir is right in this respect. alahazrat or his khulafa always referred to themselves as 'jama'at e ahl e sunnat'.

    for years, we have been saying that we are ahle sunnat wa jama'at and we have been resisting the label 'barelwi'. we have recently seen a clip of the late mawlana abdu'l Hakim where he clarifies this.

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    it is obvious that he attacks mawlana akhtar raza khan here, but apart from the 'label' of maslak e alahazrat which is inconsequential anyway, tahir has no other proof. we also saw a clip (i forget whether it was arabic or urdu) in which mufti akhtar raza khan sahib clarified that maslak-e-alahazrat means ahle-sunnat.

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    regardless, tahir's mere puffed up claims of sunniyat will not suffice.

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    people in glass rooms should not throw stones. by his own admission, having any other name other than 'ahl e sunnat' is restricting yourself to a small faction. i tried hard to spell but "minhajul quran" does not come close to "ahl e sunnat" in either english or arabic.

    secondly, being associated with big names is not enough (as tahir himself says): regardless of how many scholars you claim to be a student of, unless you are compliant with them, you are nothing.

    we assume tahir will never again mention MQ.
     
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2012
  20. Muhammad Ali

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