the deviances of ibn Taymiya

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  1. sahebju

    sahebju New Member

    assalamualikum
    i have gone through jaame noor risala of arshadul qadiri, where in it is mentioned that abdul wahhab najadi used to follow ibn Taymiya and shoukani. My personal experiences, is that i read his bood tibbe nabawi, where in he was mentioning prophet as bashar, a normal person. but we ahlesunnat va jamaat beleive he is noori bashar.
    with salams
    sahebju
     
  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    i'm sorry but that's a lie. alHamdulillah, brother abu Hasan produces some of the most scholastic posts on any forum. may Allah grant barakah.
     
  3. abu nibras

    abu nibras Staff Member

    you're welcome, it makes me spot your post easily.
     
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  4. thanks for adding the avatar from abuz zubair's avatar.

    it was added by you or the moderators of the sunniport forum.

    thanks for proving once again the understanding of justice according to abu hasan & moderators
     
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  5. ma ana adimu'l jawabi walakin
    ma li'l usdi an tujib al-kilab.

    is nothing but a lame excuse from your side. You produce nothing scholarly but only bickering.

    you are such a coward.

    think again, why didn't imam subki say that
    ma ana adimu'l jawabi walakin
    ma li'l usdi an tujib al-kilab.

    why did he reply to ibn taymiyya.

    abu hasan you are just a show
     
  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    yes.

    oh, really?

    ma ana adimu'l jawabi walakin
    ma li'l usdi an tujib al-kilab.
     
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by abu Hasan
    this is a valid point. unfortunately, not may sunni scholars in the subcontinent tolerate difference of opinion. not that many know that valid differences exist even. alaHazrat quotes such differences in his fatawa extensively. sometimes i feel that scholars of today must be talking about some other person - not the imam aHmed riDa khan barelwi, the author of fatawa ridawiyyah.

    one more thing: alaHazrat differed with ibn abidin or `allamah TaHTawi, but this difference is based on choosing one of the two opinions among the ashab at-takhrij; and within the rules of the madh'hab. these scholars were real muftis - people who could exercise ijtihad in specific masayil in the framework of the madh'hab; not mere copyists.

    there is also the other side of 'difference'. how far can one go in differing with elders? can any scholar, whether alaHazrat or ibn abidin go against the ijma'a or the consensus?

    for example, one cannot deny that ibn taymiyyah was a big scholar [imam dhahabi says 'my eyes have not seen another like him']. but imam subki criticized him for his reneging on the ijma'a in the matter of triple talaq. this disease of three-at-one-go-is-not-three-but-one is still followed among the group which calls itself ahl-hadith or salafi. ibn taymiyyah contradicted the whole ummah in the matter of visiting RasulAllah sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam. he invented the three tawhids to reject tawassul among his other bid'ah.

    we must understand the limits on difference of opinion and whether such difference follows established rules. and whether such a difference is necessary. for example, in the matter of raf'a yadayn or raising hands during salah has been debated for very long and proofs abound on either side - it is finally decided, accepted and established ruling that it is makruh taHrimi in our madh'hab. where is the need to re-examine this issue anymore?

    Allah ta'ala knows best.


    ahem.

    Well, tolerance is the key word here. My posts on these forum have been deleted by abu Hasan and no real justification was given. This keeps happening all the time. One thing i have to mention is that Dr. Tahir al Qadri is a khalifa and student of Shaykh Muhammad Alawi Makki rh. He has ijazas from him.

    test for tolerance:
    what abu Hasan said
    Quote:
    for example, one cannot deny that ibn taymiyyah was a big scholar [imam dhahabi says 'my eyes have not seen another like him']. but imam subki criticized him for his reneging on the ijma'a in the matter of triple talaq. this disease of three-at-one-go-is-not-three-but-one is still followed among the group which calls itself ahl-hadith or salafi. ibn taymiyyah contradicted the whole ummah in the matter of visiting RasulAllah sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam. he invented the three tawhids to reject tawassul among his other bid'ah.

    TOLERANCE TEST:

    is replied by Salafites.
    1. Issue of three talaqs.. I don't know if abu Hasan is aware of the Sunni Hanbali brothers. May be he should read their blogs or forums and find out that Ibn Taymiyya wasn't the only one about the 3 talaqs. There were many other scholars. Like Ibn Kathir, Ibn Rajab etc..

    brother for further study read the articles,
    1. http://www.irfi.org/articles/article...ple__talaq.htm

    2. ""Muslim scholars maintain that the one who divorces his wife three times in one occasion has committed a sin. It is reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) became very angry when he was informed that a man had divorced his wife by pronouncing it three times on one occasion.

    However, jurists differ as to whether the divorce pronounced three times in succession is to be counted as one divorce pronouncement or three separate divorces. The majority of scholars state that if the husband pronounces the divorce of his wife three times on one occasion, it will be counted as three divorces. This is the opinion of many of the Prophet's Companions, the majority of the successors, and the imams of the four schools of fiqh.

    Other scholars including Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn al-Qayyim are of the opinion that it should be counted as only one pronouncement of divorce. This is also reported by Ibn al-Munzir from `Ata', Tawus, Ibn Dinar. Ibn Mughith also reported this opinion of `Ali ibn Abi Talib, Ibn Mas`ud, `Abdur-Rahman ibn `Awf, Az-Zubayr from among the Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

    They quote the following hadith in support of their view: “Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) reports that the (pronouncement) of three divorces during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) and that of Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) and two years of the caliphate of `Umar ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) was treated as once. But `Umar ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) said: "Verily the people have begun to hasten in the matter in which they are required to observe respite. So if we had imposed this upon them (i.e. regard the divorce pronounced three times in succession as irrevocable divorce, it would have deterred them from doing so)!" So he regarded it as such. This latter view is believed to be the most correct."

    http://www.islamawareness.net/Talaq/...fatwa0004.html



    3. Visiting Prophet's Grave. Salafites have to say something else. I am sure you are very well aware of some Hanafi scholars.


    4. 3 tawhids , they say Ibn Khuzaymah said that before Ibn Taymiyyah

    So it is very important to hear the other side or better yet. post the sayings of salafis and refute them line by line.




    Tolerance or will this post also get deleted ?
     

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