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Discussion in 'Tarikh' started by chisti-raza, Sep 23, 2009.
Out of interest, do you think that he is (reliable)?
Out of interest, is Sh Tantawi really reliable?
Jazak Allah akhi.
these pages may help:
An extract from Huzoor Taajush Shariah's visit to Egypt (2009):
On 4th May from 11am until 12 noon, Shaykh al-Azhar Shaykh Muhammad Sa’eed Tantawi met with Hazrat Tajush Shari’ah in the Mashikah al-Azhar.
In this meeting, Shaykh al-Azhar had expressed two issues contradictory to the viewpoint of Hazrat Tajush Shari’ah. The first was with regards to the Hadith أصحابي کالنجوم بأيهم اقتديتم اهتديتم which Shaykh al-Azhar had previously deemed as Ghayr Maqbul (not accepted). However, since learning about the intricate details of the sanad and matn of this Hadith from Hazrat, Shaykh al-Azhar changed his opinion and now believed that through talaqqi bil-Qabul, this Hadith is deemed Maqbul (accepted) and is not Mawdu’ (fabricated). The second point of difference was regarding the name of the father of Hazrat Ibrahim ‘Alayhis Salaam. Shaykh al-Azhar had previously believed Âzar (who was rebuked on many occasions in the Holy Qur’an for worshipping idols) to be the father of Hazrat Ibrahim Alayhis Salaam. However, after this brief meeting with one of the authorities in the field of knowledge and one of the greatest men of haqiqah, Hazrat Tajush Shari’ah, Shaykh al-Azhar now endorsed the fact that it was not Âzar who was the father of Hazrat Ibrahim Alayhis Salaam, but Târah, whilst Âzar was his uncle. It should be kept in mind that Hazrat Tajush Shari’ah has already written two detailed books discussing both of the above points at great length, both of which were published in Egypt and widely disseminated throughout Arab and non-Arab lands.
Jazak Allah brother SunniTehreek
I think you did not understand my question.
I am convinced about the Prophet's immediate parents being on fitrah/Islam.
My question was in regards to other grand parents going all the way to Adam 'alaihis salam.
If we are to go all the way to Adam 'alaihis salam, we come across Ibrahim 'alaihis salam on the way.
You say Aazar was not his father, but the Quran says in 6:74:
وَإِذْ قَالَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ لأَبِيهِ آزَرَ
I am not aware of the mufassireen's explanation of this verse, but the verse very explicitly says abeehi aazar.
Interestingly, in M Assad's footnotes on the translation, it says:
And then brother, in many other verses, everywhere the Quran talks about abeehi and Ibrahim 'alaihis salam addressing yaa abati in verses 9:114 in 19:42-50, and again 21:52-54, and again in 43:26 and 60:4
I was under the impression that this is not an issue of disagreement that Ibrahim 'alaihis salam's parents were not Muslims and this is the first I have heard from you and without sounding rude, I simply cannot accept your comment regarding Ibrahim 'alaihis salam's father unless I investigate the matter further. Even if one doesn't consider Aazar as his father based on the richness of Arabic and a possible tafseer, if any, that the Quran used the word "abeehi" for uncle, what about the numerous verses of the Quran that use the words "abeehi" and "abati"?
I am not saying you are wrong, just saying I need more thorough explanations and references to accept what you are saying. Right now, we're just back to square one, but jazak Allah for your help.
Brother as the for Prophet (Sallaho Alahi Wasallams) Parents, they were Muslims and on the Deen of Hazrat Ibrahim (Alayhisalam) as Ulema say, if you want anything written then bro Abu Hasan can probably write on that, I have added alot of videos on Youtube regarding this matter Alhumdulillah:
Mufti Haneef Qureshi on Imaan of the Parents of the Prophet (Sallaho Alahi Wasallam) in (Urdu):
Alama Shaykh Maqsood Qadri on this matter (English):
Dr Zille Umar on this matter (English):
By the way, the parents of Ibrahim (Alayhisalam) were muslim, Wahabi etc do talk on his Imaan but this is very wrong, his uncle was the mushrik that wahabis say was his father which is wrong, his uncle was aazar who was a mushrik, but fathers name was Tarikh who was a muslim Alhumdulillah.
Re: Abu Talib, Sunni Ulema say Alahazrat said he was not on Imaan and the majority do hold this view, but there are two views, some say he was a muslim, some say he wasn't.
As far as I know, Ala Hazrat's tahqeeq says that the Prophet's (sal Allahu 'alaihi wa 'ala aalihi wa sahbihi wa sallam) parents until Adam 'alaihis salam were Muslims.
Is my understanding correct?
As I know, there are plenty Arab 'ulema too along with Turks and Malays and North and Sub-Saharan African 'ulema too and others who, just like us, believe Prophet's immediate parents to be Muslims/on fitrah. In fact there is even a minority position that says that Abu Talib too was a Muslim (some of the Habaib of Yemen too adhere to this as I have heard).
However, if we are to go back all the way to Adam 'alaihis salam, won't we come across Ibraheem 'alaihis salam's parents too and they were not Muslims and died without accepting the message, right?
Can someone please clarify for me.
Out of curiosity, what was Ala Hazrat's position on Abu Talib. I've heard* both opinions, that is, Ala Hazrat believed him to be Muslim and also that he didn't. Obviously, he can only hold one opinion in this regard.
* I haven't read it in any of his books myself.