The Sixth Imam and a Nasibi

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  1. inquisitive

    inquisitive Well-Known Member

    My point was only to ask what Alay as-Salam meant? There was no Zameer Majroor after the Harf e Jar so therefore it wouldn't make sense.
  2. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Also some people hold the position of imaan of Abu Talib and this also is a valid position. This is not a Rafidi exclusive position.

    The same with the kufr of Yazid. Some humqa have said these are Rafidi positions when in reality they are not.
  3. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    According to one opinion it is makruh tanzihi. Only because it may confuse some people. But many scholars allowed it and in reality there is nothing wrong with saying alayhisalam after names of ahl albayt.

    We say Maryam alayhasalam and no one objects. Yet she was is not a prophetess or an angel.
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  4. inquisitive

    inquisitive Well-Known Member

    There is no point arguing on this. It has been debated time and time again.
  5. Ghulam e Mustafa

    Ghulam e Mustafa Active Member

    Question: Is it permissible to say Ya Hussain alaihissalam? What is the ruling on writing or proclaiming it?

    Answer: The Salaam which is mentioned along with the name i.e., alaihissalam is not the Salaam of Tahiyyat (greeting) which is the Salaam said on meeting someone or conveyed through some means. The purpose (maqsood) in this Salaam (i.e., alaihissalam) is the veneration (ta’dheem) of the person being mentioned. The custom (‘urf) of the People of Islam (Ahl al-Islam) has made this Salaam (i.e., alaihissalam) specific to the Prophets and the Angels. For example: Sayyiduna Ibrahim alaihissalam, Sayyiduna Musa alaihissalam, Sayyiduna Jibreel alaihissalam, Sayyiduna Mikaeel alaihissalam. Thus it is not permissible to say alaihissalam for other than Prophets and Angels. And Allah knows best.

    Fatawa Amjadiyya, volume 4, page no. 243-245

    By: Sadru shariah Mufti Amjad Ali Azmi
  6. Ghulam e Mustafa

    Ghulam e Mustafa Active Member

    I think Alaihisalam is only used for ambiya kiraam not for Walis
  7. inquisitive

    inquisitive Well-Known Member

    'Alay as-Salam' = على السلام

    What does it mean?
  8. Nawazuddin

    Nawazuddin Veteran

    It stands for alay al-Salaam.
  9. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    *وعثمان خير من علي وأطيب*

    perhaps nawaz was nudging towards this line?
  10. Ghulam e Mustafa

    Ghulam e Mustafa Active Member

    Imam J`afar al-Ṣādiq(a) what does (a) means here
  11. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    jazakAllah khair for sharing. May Allah raise the maqam of Sayyiduna Zaid bin ' Ali raDyAllahu 'anhu even higher.

    But its not Kalabi, it Kalbi in the Arabic
  12. Nawazuddin

    Nawazuddin Veteran

    Ibn ḥajar al-`asqalānī states in his al-Iṣāba:

    A man came to visit Imam J`afar al-Ṣādiq(a) and said that Ḥakīm ibn `ayyāsh al-kalabī (a poet of banū Umayya) dispraises and criticises you (ahl al-bayt). Imam al-Ṣādiq(a) replied 'do you know any of his poetic verses?'

    The man said yes and read the following verses:

    We crucified Zayd on the tree, and have you ever seen a Mehdi(guide) being hung on a tree?

    and you out of foolishness compare Ali with Usman whilst Usman is better and purer then Ali...

    after hearing this Imam J`afar al-Ṣādiq(a) made du'a: O Allah, if Ḥakīm al-kalabī is a liar then send a dog from your creation on him.

    then when Ḥakīm ibn `ayyāsh al-kalabī went out, a lion attacked and killed him!!

    Abd al-Raḥmān al-Jāmī says in Shawahid an-nubūwwa that after this Imam Jafar al-Sadiq(a) went in sajda and prayed that O Allah, all praise belongs to you who has given us what You have promised us.

    أن رجلًا جاء إلى جعفر الصادق فقال هذا حكيم بن عياش الكلبي ينشد الناس هجاءكم بالكوفة فقال هل علقت منه بشيء قال نعم قال

    صلبنا لكم زيدا على رأس نخلة‏:‏

    ولم أر مهديا على الجذع يصلب ** وقستم بعثمان عليا سفاهة

    *وعثمان خير من علي وأطيب*

    قال فرفع جعفر يديه فقال اللهم إن كان كاذبًا فسلط عليه كلبك فخرج حكيم فافترسه الأسد‏.‏

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