The state of Israel interpreted from Quran alHakim?

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Neturei karta are orthodox Jews.

    Neturei Karta stress what is said in the mussafShemona Esrei of Yom Tov, that because of their sins, the Jewish people went into exile from the Land of Israel ("umipnei chatoeinu golinu meiartzeinu"). Additionally, they maintain the view – based on the Babylonian Talmud[20] – that any form of forceful recapture of the Land of Israel is a violation of divine will. They believe that the restoration of the Land of Israel to the Jews should only happen with the coming of the Messiah, not by self-determination.
  2. The land was condition upon the jews fulfilling a covenant which they failed to uphold. Check Biblical references for this. The fact that they were driven from that land proves the point, because Allah Almighty upholds his Promises because He is the Truth and He is Just.
  3. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Ramzy Baroud on Israel's right over Jerusalem.

    "After 1,500 years of Canaanite rule over Palestine, the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea fell under the rule of numerous invaders, including the Philistines, the Israelites, the Phoenicians, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Macedonians, the Romans, the Arabs, the Crusaders, and then it was ruled by various Islamic Caliphates from 1291 until the British mandate in 1922.

    The Israelites' control barely lasted for 77 years and it is largely contested that Israeli Jews of today are even blood relatives of the groups that inhabited Palestine 2,000 years ago."
  4. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Have you not read a reliable tafsir by any Islamic scholar? Why are you even asking this question?

    Your zionist citation is a fraudulent interpretation; one that even the scumbag Netanyahooo has been fond of parroting in last few years. It is incredible how devil tries to quote the scripture when it suits it (*).

    Surah al-Ma'idah:
    [5:24] They said, ‘O Moses, we will never enter it so long as they are in it. So go forth, you and your Lord, and fight, them, we will be sitting here’, away from the fighting.
    [5:25] He, Moses, thereupon, said, ‘My Lord, I control none but myself and my brother, and I control no one else to be able to force them to obedience. So separate, distinguish, us from the wicked folk’.
    [5:26] He, God, exalted be He, said, to him: ‘Then it, the Holy Land, shall be forbidden them, to enter, for forty years; they shall wander lost, bewildered, in the land; so do not grieve for the wicked folk’.

    When bani Israel came up to the land of Canaan, the modern day Israel (plus parts of Lebanon, Syria & Jordan), they were spooked by the tall, strong people of Canaan. In one of the reconnaissance mission, a strongman of Canaan even stuffed couple of Israelites into his pocket/bag. Fearful of the prospect of fighting the mighty people of Canaan, bani Israel refused to budge and rebelled against the command of Musa (alayhis salaam) and Allah (azza wajal). The land of Israel which was promised was spurned.

    Again in Surah al-Baqara:
    (2:246) What do you think about the council of the tribe of Israel after Musa’s time when they said to one of their Prophets, ‘Give us a king and we will fight in the Way of Allah!’? He said, ‘Is it not possible that if fighting were prescribed for you, you would not fight?’ They said, ‘How could we not fight in the way of Allah when we have been driven from our homes and children?’ But then when fighting was prescribed for them, they turned their backs – except for a few of them. Allah knows the wrongdoers.

    The holy Qur'an cites numerous transgressions of jews, who incurred the wrath of Allah (azza wajal) and were put through several trials and tribulations. Jews squandered several favours, including the right to the promised land. Likewise, there are few verses mentioning how the jews were exalted over everyone; but it is universally understood that the jews were only exalted over the people of their own times, rather than over everyone to come, including the Muslims.

    This topic was discussed several years ago on sunniport (and that thread is now lost); so I have only loosely paraphrased some points from that thread.


    (*) As an aside the India court has now taken this approach rather facetiously. In Babri masjid judgement, Haji Ali dargah judgement, triple talaq judgement etc. the hindu judges have cited how the Qur'an says otherwise and hence Muslims should be denied these (and others) on the basis of their own scriptures!
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  5. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    What are the Tafasir and ahkâm that are understood from the following Ayat e Karima?
    Can any learned brother explain, is the interpretation of the modern state of Israel, correctly interpreted from these Ayat e Karima, (after the link)?

    "Palazzi believes that Israel exists by "divine right" and that the Koran clearly states (Sura 5:21) that God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle there. In addition, it is predicted that before the end of days, God will bring the Children of Israel to retake possession of the Land, gathering them from the different countries and nations (Sura 17:104)."

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