Wajid Iqbal supports Irfan Shah on khata and ma'sum

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    One brother commented:

    Wajid's "clarifications" which supposedly support mufti aslam are not even uploaded.

    Why is he uploading and then backtracking deleting videos but all his Facebook material promoting Irfan shah is still there? Plus his posts on FB wherein he lies and claims mufti aslam backs his stance.
     
  2. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    I get what you mean and you are probably right. Just a shame though.
     
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    why are you flogging dead horses? (intended misuse of the idiom)
     
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  4. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Yes both mufti Wajid and Sh Nabeel should retract for this slander and apologise. Let's see if they do it as Sh Nabeel was banging on why does Jalali Sahib not just apologise and close the matter. Now it has full come full circle, we will see if their love for the maslsk will come through or will their cultish leanings prevent them to do what they demanded of others.
     
  5. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    The previous video was removed due to a copyright claim from the opponent who cannot answer the objections presented. Instead he resorted to continual ad hominem. We simply presented academic evidences and raised questions.

    The question for Wajid Iqbal is how can he endorse accusations of Ahl-us-Sunnah being haters of Ahl-ul-Bayt رضي الله عنهم and as those people who spend months finding errors in the Prophets عليهم الصلاة والسلام and Ahl-ul-Bayt رضي الله عنهم? May Allah تعالى grant him the ability to retract.

     
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  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

  7. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    What I mean is that the issues with regards to Khata, Ma'sumiyat and other related creedal points can be ironed out in private meetings. Then whatever agreement comes out of it can be brought to the public. These to and from don't help anyone and in fact exacerbate issues.
    The original Jalali Sahib issue was not major enough for it still to be a point of contention 7 months down the line. It's now become a bigger issue because some wanted to indict an individual or play fast and loose with principles to prove their erroneous position.

    In Mufti Wajid's 'clarifications' he has essentially supported Mufti Aslam's positions. However, I agree at the same time he needs to repudiate the views of the other side too as like you said, it seems like he wants to keep both sides happy.

    Mufti Sahib's support of his shaykh is a separate issue, so should not be conflated.
     
  8. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    No. He made the blunders publicly. This isn't a personal spat that it needs sorting privately. This is aqidah.

    Also, his support for Irfan Shah sahib and Shaykh Yaqubi is public.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2021 at 1:33 PM
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  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Had it deleted. Again. This is their tasawwuf.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2021 at 6:11 AM
  10. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    I've watched this and although Imam Shahid's response is understandable, it is best sorted out behind closed doors.

    However, Mufti Wajid should disassociate himself from Shah Sahib and Sh Nabeel. If you can make excuses for them, then why not with those you label teddy bears.
     
  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Response to slander, ad hominem & misconceptions on Ma'sum & Khata issue.

     
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    For that, he would need to condemn the mudahanah of Shaykh Yaqubi which I doubt he'll do...
     
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  13. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    I can't answer those questions nor do I know Mufti Sahib's motives. However, in this latest video, all I heard was a lucid defence of Sunni creed. That is what I have complimented. I have not seen his public defence of Shah Sahib or Sh Nabeel so not in a position to comment on that.

    It would be nice if Mufti Sahib could sit with Mufti Aslam and Imam Shahid, and sort out the issues. We need our Sunni scholars to put outside ego and affiliation to a Tariqa or organisation for the betterment of the maslak.
     
  14. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    I didn't watch it. But if he's with Mufti Aslam, why does he promote Irfan Shah sahib publicly? Does he want to keep it sweet with both parties?

    It does seem so.

    He agreed with Nabeel Afzal sahib that people who defend Jalali sahib are looking for errors in prophets and ahl al-bayt and have enmity for the latter. So Nabeel and Wajid sahibs think we are outside Ahl al-Sunnah and maybe even more...
     
  15. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Alhamdulillah I listened to vast majority of this podcast and it was a great listen. Mufti Sahib's position on various topics were in line with Sunni creed and his clarification just backed up Mufti Aslam's position
     
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  16. Sunni Jaag

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  17. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Well-Known Member

    Just realized Pir Irfan Shah Mashadi's other issue is mahfuz/ma'sum where he misquoted Khayali not on this issue.
     
  18. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Well-Known Member

    He may quote the same ibarat of Nibras/Khayali as wrongly quoted by Irfan Shah and group
     
  19. Mohammed Ali Rizvi

    Mohammed Ali Rizvi New Member

  20. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Proof? Shall we ask Mufti Aslam?

    And what's the ruling on one who attributes khata to prophets?
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2021
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