Where is Najd

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  1. Mohamed Shah Qadri

    Mohamed Shah Qadri Active Member

    I also heard on a Sheikh Asrar Rashid lecture that Nasiruddin Albani changes many hadiths.
  2. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    how does this conflict with the "land of rising satanic horns" being saudi-najd?

    does it say that Iraq is to the East of Madinah Munawwarah?
    does it say that the Prophet (peace be upon him) mentioned Iraq as the land from where the horns will rise?
    does it say that the delegation that had requested prayers for "our najd" had come from Iraq?
    does it say that the banu tamim were Iraqis?
    does the hadith of najd say that civil strife or internecine conflicts will happen 'only in Iraq' and no where else?

    is it impossible that hazrat salim ibn 'abdullah ibn 'umar (raDyiAllahu'anhum) was reprimanding some Iraqis, telling them to beware disunity and/or major-sins, as great tribulations were to come in the future? and that they were to come from the east - quite close to their lands.

    does it not strike as odd that he would tell them in such a round about way that the hadith of the horns of satan was actually referring to them?

    besides, if the najdis claim that "major-sins" referred to the bloodshed that happened in karbala and it's aftermath - even then, the chief perpetrator of these atrocities was yazid - whom the najdis love dearly and defend as 'ameer-ul-mu'mineen' - and that should make them the "condemned najdis" by association anyways.

    if you haven't already, read this: http://www.sunnah.org/aqida/puncturing_the_devil.htm

    and this might help too: http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/hadith-of-fitan.11347/#post-44436
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  3. Mohamed Shah Qadri

    Mohamed Shah Qadri Active Member

    I have recently been working on an article trying to prove that Najd is in fact Riyadh

    Saudi Arabia --NAJD

    It can be deduced from the Hadith below that Najd is neither blessed nor a good place but one of Fitna and Evil. Najd has been deprived of the prayers of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and therefore Najd has the seal of misery and misfortune and hoping for any good from there is going against the Will of Allah.

    Narrated Ibn 'Umar: (The Prophet) said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and our yemen." People said, "Our Najd as well." The Prophet again said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and yemen." They said again, "Our Najd as well." On that the Prophet said, "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the horn of Satan." (Book #17, Hadith #147, Bukhari)

    Now the hadith clearly states that the sahaba radillahu wa anhu asked about OUR NAJD. Meaning Najd had to be a part of the muslim territory at that time. So let's look at a map.

    Najd has to be some where in the brown region on the map.

    Modern Wahabi scholarships claims and is adamant that Najd is in Iraq. But this claim is baseless

    Firstly Iraq was not a part of of the muslim territory during that life time of the Prophet Alayhi Salaam.

    Secondly, why would the Sahaba ask and be concern about a land they do not even control. It wasn't theirs so why why would they refer to it as OUR Najd while the Rasoolillah was blessing the lands that they had already captured. More over iraq is approximately 1300 km away from Madinah.

    Let us not be school boys and use some common sense when passing a judgment .

    The Hadith go further into into detail to explain the where about of Najd and where the horn of satan will emerge from.

    It is reported in SAHIH BUKHARI from Hazrat Abu Said Khudri (Radiallhu Anhu) who narrates that:
    Once we were in the presence and company of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam).
    He was distributing booties (Spoils of War) when a person named Zul-Khawaisara, who was from the Tribe of Bani Tamim addressed the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) “Oh Muhammad Be Just!”
    The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied: “A Great pity that you have doubts, if I am unjust then who will be just, you are a loser and a failure.”
    Zul-Khawaisara’s attitude infuriated Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) and he pleaded with the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to permit him to slay Zul-Khawaisara.
    The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) remarked: “Leave him, as his slaying will serve no good purpose, as he is not the only individual but there are a host of others like him and if you compare their prayers and fasting to that of yours, you yourself will feel ashamed.
    These are the people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, with all these apparent virtues they will leave the fold of Deen just like the arrow leaves the bow.

    In this hadith we learn of a people known as the Bani Tamim. They appear outwardly religious and spiritual by their prayers and fast but their is no virtue and god consciousness or aqlaq amongst them. They will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their thoats. Meaning no understanding and no penetration into their hearts.

    The previous Hadith has also been narrated as follows:
    "A person with eyes protruding, with a long beard and head clean-shaven came to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and declared: 'O Muhammad! (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) fear Allah. "'

    The Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied: "If I disobey Allah, then who else will obey Him? I am obedient to Allah at all times and never disobedient. Allah has sent me as Amin(Honest for the entire world, but you don't accept me as an honest man?' A Sahabi (Companion) became infuriated and sought permission to remove him from the presence of the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam).

    The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) prevented the Sahabi from doing so After the person had left, the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "From his progeny will rise a Group who will recite the Holy Quran but it will not go below their throats. They will leave the Deen just as an arrow leaves the bowstring. They will kill the Muslims but spar the idolaters. If I ever confronted these people I would slaughter them just as the people of Aad had been destroyed"
    (Mishkat Shareef, pp/535)

    The second riwayat of the hadith goes into abit more detail on the nature of this group from Bani Tamim.

    Let us now establish where Bani Tamim was located.

    All evidence points to Bani Tamim being from the region of Saudi Arabia and in particular Riyadh.

    Therefore Riyadh is where this evil group will rise from. They will act outwardly religious but inwardly are godless. These are the people who will clain to be muslims but kill muslims.

    Now let us decipher the code of Najd.

    Al-Bukhari includes this hadeeth in the chapter: “The affliction will appear from the East”

    212) From the father of Saalim: The Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, stood up besides the pulpit (and pointed towards the East) and said: “Afflictions are there! Afflictions are there! From where appears the horn of Satan”

    213) From ibn Umar that he said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alyahi wa sallam, saying while facing the east: “Indeed Afflictions are there, from where appears the Horn of Satan.”

    These hadith mentioned by The Holy Prophet Alayhi Salaam while he was in Madina.

    So we have determined that Najd has to be East of Madina. As this where the horn of Satan will emerge from.

    Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم did the Dawn Prayer and gave salute and facing toward the SUN RISE and said: “Fitnah will come from here. Fitnah will come from here from the horn of Satan” [Musnad Ahmad 2/72 no 5410 shahih]

    Riyadh is directly east of Madina making it the most plausible region to be Najd.

    Even A five year old will be able to tell you that the sun rises in the East and not the North. More so if you ask a school child with basic geography knowledge which direction is East of Madina he/she would point towards Riyadh.
    We can clearly deduce that Najd is Riyadh with all the evidence on the table. The modern day Bani Tamim is the Wahabi sect.
    It was narrated that 'Aishah RA said:

    "The Messenger of Allah designated Dhul-Hulaifah as the Miqat for the people of Al-Madinah, Al-Juhfah for the people Ash-sham and Egypt, Dhat 'Irq for the people Al-'Iraq, Qarn for the people of Najd and Yalamlam for the people of Yemen."

    أَخْبَرَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عَمَّارٍ الْمَوْصِلِيُّ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو هَاشِمٍ، مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَلِيٍّ عَنِ الْمُعَافَى، عَنْ أَفْلَحَ بْنِ حُمَيْدٍ، عَنِ الْقَاسِمِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ وَقَّتَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لأَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ ذَا الْحُلَيْفَةِ وَلأَهْلِ الشَّامِ وَمِصْرَ الْجُحْفَةَ وَلأَهْلِ الْعِرَاقِ ذَاتَ عِرْقٍ وَلأَهْلِ نَجْدٍ قَرْنًا وَلأَهْلِ الْيَمَنِ يَلَمْلَمَ ‏.‏

    Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)

    This is simple question to wahhabi or any non-wahhabi muslim who poisoned by wahhabi propaganda. If Najd is in Iraq, why prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) differentiate Iraq and Najd? It's supposed to be same place right?

    To summarize
    Riyadh fits the description of Najd perfectly as:
    •Riyadh is in a region called Najd.
    •Riyadh was a part of the muslim territory during the time of our Prophet Alayhi Salaam.
    •Riyadh is also the location of the cursed Bani Tamim.
    •Riyadh is East of Madina and on the same longitudinal line.
    •The sun will rise in the direction of Riyadh if you were standing in Madinah
    •The Prophet Sallilahu Alayhi Salaam also distinguished that Najd and Iraq were two different places.
    Foot note: Even though Sham was not apart of the muslim territory Sham was always a blessed land even before our Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, Because of al Quds Sharif (Baitul Muqdis) and being the land of many propheys, so its not a big deal if our Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم made a dua for it even if its not under muslim rule when he made that dua. Musjidul Aqsa was our first qibla being on Al Quds Sharif in Sham. Therefore is is directly an important part of the muslim empire and structure.

    These are all my points... but recently i had a debate with an individual who believed najd is in Iraq and he supplied 2 hadith that are in conflict with my article. Ill link them below:


    The other i cant find a good source for but this is the reference he gave me:

    Musnad e Ahmed
    Vol 10 page 391
    Hadith 6302 or 6129
    Isnad -considered sahih by Muhadith Ahmed Shakir

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