Yaqoubi and Nadwi

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  1. Umar99

    Umar99 Well-Known Member

    What did he say?
  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Someone asked me if they should attend yaqubi Saabs event.

    I said I prefer you didn't listen to those who praise wahabis in poems.
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  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    O célébrité, que de crimes on commet en ton amour!
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    a friend sent me the clip below.

    apparently, asim yusuf is cozying up with these juhala. akram nadwi is a huge jahil. read the thread.

  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the jahil has no aqidah. you heard it from the horse's mouth.
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  6. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    Even some of the deobandis on a deobandi forum have criticised him, claiming he follows wahabi/salafi aqeeda
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    aankh wala tere joban ka tamasha dekhe
    deedah e kor ko kya aaye nazar, kya dekhe
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  8. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    hoosein nasr has been a perennialist since the 70s. Before that he was an ithna 'ashri shiite student of ayatuallah tabataba'i Tabrezi. Hoosein nasr wasn't a Muslim and so it does not make sense to say that he is murtad now. Shaikh Yaqoubi ought to comment on Hamza Yusuf's and Zaid Shakir's relationship with Hoosein nasr, a student mentor relationship
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    notice the khubth in his inside - at 5.47 he recites a verse says that the "favour" is the book.

    this donkey has no adab for the prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam; in praising the qur'an, he is trying to trivialise - al-iyadhu billah - the position of the messenger sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. the jahil mutlaq wants the qur'an without the teacher.

    see this:

    at 12.49
    the book basically was revealed to the family of ibrahim alayhi's salam. ibrahim alayhis'salam actually made dua "o Allah send among my descendants a messenger who recites your book and does this and this..." book was basically revealed in response to the dua of ibrahim alayhis salam for his family. so now actually another condition for the book to understand actually is that you must understand this book is the book of your family.

    it is not an alien book. it is not a book revealed to arab people and we are not arabs so it is not concerned to us, no. this book was revealed to your family.

    you know, understand really - if one of your ancestor, you know, leaves behind a document, and says, this is a document, really, useful, beneficial for all my descendants, when you will grow up, you would like to know, the will and the writing of your ancestor. what document said.

    this document, the qur'an. what basically, document of our family.
    ibrahim alayhis salam actually has made dua for his family - and now anybody who reads the qur'an actually, they basically are from the family of ibrahim alayhis salam. they should consider the book as their own book, not an alien book, not a book which came to other people. no, it came to you. it belongs to you. it belongs to your family. treat the qur'an as the book of your own family. a book which actually is revealed to you, not to other people.

    the donkey does not mention the importance of RasulAllah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam. for example, was the book not revealed to him? *HE* was the dua of sayyiduna ibrahim. according to nadwi, do not think about the importance of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam - just take the book and claim it as a family heirloom, and was handed to us by our great grandfather.

    this ghabi doesn't have the courtesy to mention RasulAllah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam as the very means for the qur'an. he simply attributes it to ibrahim alayhis salam!

    by Allah, akram nadwi will never understand the qur'an.

    alas, if he were associated with alahazrat, he would know:

    qur'an to iman batata hai inheN
    iman yeh kahta hai meri jaan haiN yeh.

    around at 9.00
    he says idiotic things about masnawi and mawlana rum. no proof - just enormous allegations: "...that the man wants to rewrite the qur'an....he wants to add things from himself...he wants to fill the gaps" this is what his fanboys go ga-ga about? the fool did not realise that he himself said: "the qur'an has gaps". he doesn't have basic reasoning skills - just watawatawatawata barking.

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  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    he is a devbandi. also in cambridge, he removed his cap.

  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    and here he says something else about 'aqidah' and it appears that iqbal's poetry is nass for the nadwi.


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  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    akram sounds as stupid as an ordinary joe blogger 'salafi' and clueless about ash'aris or maturidis in that tahawiyah class of his, which suhaib webb was fawning upon like teenager.

    only in our age of ignorance can such mediocrity be celebrated and hosannas sung for third rate 'scholars'...


    [ask ghulam, he has so many of those. this one from one of his old posts.]
    download this in case the ministry of truth wakes up.
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  13. Shihāb Dīn

    Shihāb Dīn New Member

    nadwi's rhetoric is so funny, i had to post.


    from shiplu miah's notes on nadwi's TaHawiyyah class:

    1. "The Asharis and the Mu’tazillas went into two different extremes."

    i hope he isn't suggesting a contradistinction: ice is cold VS fire is hot; mu'tazilis say x VS ash'aris say -x. in which case, he has evidently misunderstood the school of sayyidi imam abu Hasan al asha'ri. his methodical arrangement of the belief system of the pious salaf into a canonised creed for the ahl as sunnah wal jam'ah wasn't just a knee jerk reaction to mu'tazili tripe, nor a paroxysm for attention. this dunce should read ibn 'asakir's 'tabyiyn kadhib al muftari':


    2. “Whenever the Asharis and Matrudis differed from the Salaf, they could not give any satisfactory answers”

    did either differ from the salaf? that's a loaded statement, mr nadwi; its a shame you didn't cite anything to lend stability to your erroneous claims. do you not realise that the very text you hold in your hands accommodates both the asha'ri and maturidi schools? and i assume you mean in matters concerning the attributes of Allah; if so, kindly direct towards such differences from the following work:


    3/4/5. The Quran is not just the “meaning” from Allah, It is the “meaning and the wording”. “You cannot say that “Qul hu Wallahu Ahad” is the meaning from Allah but not His words” (A.Nadwi) Jibraeel (AS) brought the message with BOTH, wording and meaning.


    6/7. “The Asharis have a similar problem like the Muttazilis in relation to Asma wa Sifaat... They say Allah has only eight eternal attributes. Who told you this??! Is it from the Quran or Sunnah??!” (A. Nadwi) When the Asharis make all these attributes into one or seven, they are limiting Allah."

    any first year nizamiyya student who has perused through a basic primer in tawHid is able to tell you that having knowledge of eight attributes is in relation to our knowledge; that is, we are religiously obliged to acquire knowledge of only eight, as a mercy upon us weak beings. though Allah's attributes are limitless. please consult this primer in tawHid before you try teaching more advanced texts:


    8. “Every Attribute is different from the other and has a different meaning”. They are not the same.


    9. “We are not like those Asharis who limit the Atributes of Allah to seven/eight” (A. Nadwi)

    who are 'those asharis'? they're certainly not imam al Haramayn, ibn asakir or imam al sanusi.

    10/11. “We believe Allah’s Attributes are unlimited” (A. Nadwi) “We believe in Allah’s Attributes as Allah has described Himself” (A.Nadwi)

    who are 'we', and why have they been endowed with a correct understanding of tawHid whilst the asharis, according to nadwi, haven't?


    it's late, so i wont continue commenting on nadwi's 'pearls of wisdom'. but, what an ignoramus...

    Allah knows best
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  14. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    People should ask him for a reference of this Hadith:

  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

  16. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    people should ask yaqubi pointedly whether he considers seyyid hossein nasr, as a murtad or as a muslim.

    and what does he think about the new 'translation' of the qur'an.

    if he is evasive, it is clear that yaqubi's faith is dead.

    نسأل الله العافية
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  17. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    akram nadawi is a jahil who thinks he knows about aqidah better than imam taHawi.
    someone post the ridiculous claims of this nadawi, and his "class" on taHawiyah.

    as for yaqubi, he was lost after he became a politician. in hindsight, it appears that his praise of alahazrat was also one of those flattery sessions, to prey on unsuspecting subcontinental sunnis.

    لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله
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  18. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    أستغفر الله العظيم .
  19. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    Shaykh Yaqoubi wrote the following about Akram Nadwi:

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