Mufti Monawwar with Shaykh Swadago

this fragment from the hadith:

يزعم أنه مني ، و ليس مني ، إنما و ليي المتقون

 

Muzaffar Shah sahab or Liaquath Hussain Azhari sahab (one of them) routinely sit with shiite scholars on ptv - but that is in the political context of maintaining peace and law and order in pakistan, specially in terms of the Sunni-shiite targeted killings etc. they don't compromise their 3aqidah (afaik) and just state the Sunni stance if asked. they just generally speak against terrorism, as does the shiite guy.

on the other hand Shah Turabul Haq sahab only answers questions by a live telephone call if a reporter or a news anchor needs his opinion on something, and doesn't set foot in the studios. (yet a lot of scholars at Darul Uloom Amjadia refused to issue a fatwa against tahir when i pleaded with them, sometime after the wembley thing. i even nudged them again just now in august through whatsapp during this latest sit-in protests, when pretty much the entire media and politician cabal has been lambasting tahir along with khan, that this is a golden time to publish a fatwa against him. silence again. the first time i was told that no sane Muslim can miss the kufriyat in the wembley event and that they supported Tajush Shari3ah as their elder, so their own Amjadia fatwa would be redundant. i disagree strongly, as pakistan is their country and it is their duty to take action in it for the benefit of their awam. their reason, and maybe even justifiably so, is that the current political climate in pakistan doesn't permit them to openly lambast tahir. perhaps they are worried about the public security or the public image of Sunnis in pakistan)

i might be wrong, but as far as i know and remember, Kaukab Noorani sahab too doesn't share the stage with anyone (scholar). he always comes on tv alone, along with the anchors or the public

DI of course have their own channel, and their policy is one of a triple-divorce from politics.

i think every form mentioned above has its time and place.

the awam needs scholars, and it needs them on multiple platforms. people might argue that like the latter mentioned scholars, the former ones too can stay away from sharing the stage with shiites. but they forget that we the awam live in a mixed up, insane world (ruled by the law of the jungle if you're in pakistan) and they need practical solutions and practical answers to their questions.

i believe in these times, it is a necessity for the ulema to engage with the media and the politicians, if they wish to do anything positive for the awam. but they shouldn't be foolish about it. they should USE the media and politicians to propagate Islam and Sunniyat and their causes, not get lost in the glitter.

i want to re-iterate what i said in another recent post - we (Sunnis) and specially our ulema MUST sit in the driver seat, if they wish to leave a decent legacy for Sunniyat. new bid3ahs and zandaqahs are being churned out like iphone apps everyday. it is a logistical nightmare (especially for us nonscholar nobodies) to fight them all one by one. we can burn ourselves out very soon, one way or another. we need a way that zandaqah and heresy is subdued by us, and not the other way round. if we don't do what it takes to protect Sunniyat, we might as well write our children off to the wahabis and perennialists in our wills!

 

I understand that shaykh yaqoubi has apparently referred to mark hanson as a wali and general of imam mehdi Alayhim salaam ... could anyone provide a link to a video where these statements are made by him please

 

now for the misplaced zeal of KS:

yes, but this is not a utopia. and not everyone will leave forums, twitter, facebook and other online activities anytime soon. the question is, if we close down this forum and stop our activities online, who will help common muslims like ourselves? because scholars are largely absent - either they don't know about technology, or they choose to close down and run away.

similar to a war-like situation, when the authorities and military abandons the public, people help each other in whatever limited capacity they can. when i was quite young and zealous about change and frustrated at the speed with which tablighi jama'at had overrun our communities, i confided my angst to a senior mawlana who put things in perspective. he said: "there is a man who is thirsty and dying for a sip of water; and someone brings him a glass of water, though muddy and unclean. you stand there criticising him for drinking that water, without offering him an alternative. will he listen?"

they should not. and they should lead from the front. or they should abdicate. they should stop calling themselves as scholars and begin terming themselves as community leaders.

then he should.

as i said, that is nothing. i praised yaqubi sahib, i have met him and have given him utmost respect. i have taken my friends to meet him and get his barakah.

but that is the difference. this is what alahazrat taught us. when you see someone deviate from the path of ahl al-sunnah, don't follow them. unlike the devbandis, who may see tariq jameel utter the most ludicrous and outright kufriyat, but will keep quiet. won't even whimper. one of them made a song-and-dance about my grammar mistake and projected as if i had committed the most heinous sin in islam (al-iyadhu billah) but ignored tariq jameel's egregious blunder. more and more videos clearly show that he is not only a jahil but a zindiq too.

who will refute these ideas? scholars don't go online, and withdraw, and ironically do what yaqubi suggested. keep theology in your books and classes of theology. because the common man is not going to attend your theology classes anyway.

ok. if we accept that conclusion, those who do not think it is necessary to clarify should also abstain from posting on facebook and twitter.

wa billahi't tawfiq.

 

well a lot of issues mixed up.

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i personally believe that ulama should be responsible - they should either bite the bullet or evacuate. you cannot be a public figure, who is hailed as the imam of the masses, the guidance to the ummah; and when it comes to hard issues, keep mum and let the public draw its own conclusions.

shaykh yaqubi's clip is misleading and this is the worst i have heard from him. we will talk about it shortly.

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sitting with deviants or meeting someone or being photographed is nothing. also, we live in a different age. we have a number of constraints in our time; and as long as we make our stance clear - meeting or sitting with deviants or fussaq upon necessity does not make one a wahabi or a sulH kulli. even if one meets them without a valid sharayi need, out of common courtesy or peer pressure or relationships, the maximum extent of such an action is that it is Haram, as long as the person genuinely dislikes the heresy and acknowledges that it is heresy. thus, if you see asrar rashid sitting with a deviant or ijaz shami posing for a photo or mawlana qamruz zaman in conference with warsi/cameron, as long as they make it clear that their stand concerning sunni aqidah and their unequivocal opposition to heresy/zandaqah, they will remain sunnis.

but this does not mean, they can go to any conference and sit with whoever they like. the awam observes scholars and deems their actions to be evidence for their own acts.

similarly shaykh yaqubi or ali jifry - if they were clear about their stance, but owing to political needs, they are compelled to all kinds of hypocrisy, we can deem them as sunnis with lost compass. unfortunately, they haven't stopped at mere mudahanah, they are actively participating in this ugly bid'ah of eliminating "differences" and forming a more heinous nadwah than the original nadwah of lucknow.

if scholars who are qualified, and graduates with ijazahs do not have the courage to publicly disown them or highlight this bid'ah, part-timers and unqualified people (like us, for example) will be forced to confront them. if silent scholars get trampled in the stampede, or get caught in the cross-fire, they should blame their own selves.

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ulama should shoulder their responsibility. they should have the courage to state their beliefs in public. they should have the courage to distance themselves for a principle. isn't it shameful that disbelievers and atheists show such conviction in their beliefs, and those who are supposed to be heirs of prophets are scared to clarify their stand?

what are they afraid of? their followers will scoot? they will be laughed at and ridiculed? they will be subject to minute examination by juveniles and the jobless, who will highlight their mistakes and slip-ups? are they afraid of backlash which may expose their competence? whose responsibility is it to clarify an issue? why should the common man be blamed if he/she takes whatever they find convenient or deem right? if they don't know or they are undecided on an issue, why can't they honestly own up?

khuub parda hai ke chilman se lage bayThe haiN
saaf chuptey bhi nahiN saamne aatey bhi nahiN

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so scholars should stop whining about DIY-islam and the state of the ummah, if they do not have the courage to lead them and act like petty politicians and brazen hypocrites. shaykh yaqubi has the courage to 'correct' the late shaykh buti because it was a scholarly duty; and hamza yusuf can remain on the perennialist fons-vitae, protesting that he is not one - sh.yaqubi won't bother about him.

and in this gutless piece, he says shiah are his brothers; and to prove his point connects timbuktu with london with beijing with sidney and calls it a straight line.

quick facts:

1. shiah is mentioned in the qur'an, in addition to which sh.yaqubi said, there is another ayah [6:159] which is more apt in this regard:




or this one [30:32]:




2. those with mawla ali raDiyallahu `anhu were indeed called as his shi`ah; but they are not the shi`ah yaqubi is defending as his brothers. if it is just the semantic aspect, then bashar assad is yaqubi's brother as the first one calls himself an `alawi and yaqubi, being a sayyid is also an `alawi. so `alawi-`alawi brothers; well?

3. even if you ignore that; bashar claims to be a shi`ah and according to yaqubi's brotherly love, he is his brother.

4. to be fair, yaqubi sahib does say that the sunnis, SaHabah were the real shi'yah of sayyiduna `ali as opposed to khawarij. and he does say that some of them went far and exaggerated in the love of mawla ali, and it is here that juggler's sleight of hand occurs. he mentions the tafDilis who claim that mawla `ali was superior to sayyiduna abu bakr - and indeed, no sunni has made takfir of them; alahazrat has said that it is "khafif bid'ah" it is misguidance, although lighter than all other denominations of shiah. i do not know of any reliable scholar make takfir of tafDilis.

the persian/urdu phrase, gandum-numa jaw farosh comes to mind: a person who sells barley that looks like wheat (or shows wheat on the outside and in reality is pushing barley; show wheat and sell barley).

shi`ah according to ancient heresiologists first disintegrated into four major groups (and then devolved into further subgroups): the zaydiyah (tafdilis, mainly) imamiyah, kisaniyyah and the fanatics (ghulat). [jurjani, farq bayn al-firaq]

shah abd al-Aziz dihlawi in his tuHfah ithna ashariyyah says that shiah refers to four major groups; the first one is the true shiah, those who sided with the ameer, mawla Ali and who were his contemporaries. [assuming yaqubi sahib cannot read farsi or urdu, there is also an arabic translation titled mukhtaSar tuHfah by shukri alusi; do read it]

the other three can be broadly grouped as: tafdili, tabarrayi and ghulat. the first is milder and only argues in the superiority of mawla `ali; the second is worse and they curse SaHabah; the third is the worst, which has outright kufr (such as mentioned by yaqubi sahib in this clip).

yaqubi sahib uses an old trick of downplaying the general by highlighting the specific. by saying: one or two individuals who may believe that sayyiduna abu bakr is not a companion are kafirs - obviously, because it is explicitly contradicting the qur'an. the unsuspecting student/listener may think that such beliefs are an aberration; and the general shiah are good muslims, who love and respect the SaHabah, except for those one or two aberrant individuals.

sub'HanAllah. yaqubi sahib, the world has moved on. even deadbeats like us have access to shiah and sunni books. this kind of fairy tales probably worked in the time when speakers would "preach for hell" and get excited and fanatical and give the speaker more money. but not in our time.

however, it may be true that if people dilute their aqidah and join hands with everyone (embrace the agha khan ismayilis, as brothers and be given a generous grant or given a prize - ask AHM), people might get excited and give the speaker more money.

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now notice the jugglery - he mentions shiah; states that ghulat are kafir; and then switches back to tafDilis and says they are muslim. mawlana abu'l huda, what about the majority of them - like khomeini for example - who also believe that the imams of ahl al-bayt are superior to prophets? is this kufr or not? is this from Daruriyat or not?

5. yes, indeed. we do not accuse the rawafid/shia of kufr unless they reject contradict something deemed necessary aspect of religion (daruriyat al-din). but yaqubi quickly slips in the word 'heresy'.

i may not have read as many books as yaqubi sahib has, but i never came across any sunni imam who shied away from calling the shiah/rawafid as heretics. unless, of course, [Allahumma] yaqubi means "apostasy" in using the word heresy. he can issue a statement to clarify and say that yaqubi considers shiah as ahl al-bida'h (as long as their bid'ah does not breach into kufr, and he has given those examples himself).

6. in this particular clip yaqubi sahib in his love brimming for his shiah brothers, lets escape a fundamental truth: that anyone who contradicts a fundamental principle (Daruri precept) of the deen is a kafir, "regardless of his being sunni, shiyi whatever" [watch at 00:30]. so we ask him what is the ruling about nanotwi who claimed that "the

i don't think yaqubi has the guts to say: "if nanotwi indeed said, what ahmad raza khan accused him in his mustand as cited in Husam, then he is kafir". i will be glad if he can disprove my misapprehension. or make takfir of those who insult RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa aalihi wa sallam.

7. working together in a changed world, where muslims face challenges from all sides is a different concept. and we are all struggling to come to terms with these new factors and new-world dynamics. but that is no reason to be afraid to state the sunni faith.

besides, (going by media reports, wAllahu a'alam) it is the hezbollah - yaqubi's shiah brothers - who support bashar al-kalb who continues to defy the world. so if you embrace hezbollah, yaqubi can also embrace bashar; thereby working towards a resolution, after the illumination of a "higher level of awareness" to face the threat.

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is ghar ko aag lag gayi ghar ke chirag se.

la Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.
Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

Disease of paranoia and cynicism coupled with hidden pretentiousness and insecurity

 

This is dim wit reasoning. At this rate everyone needs to clarify their stance. No one will be left alone.

Why does Shaykh Munawar sit with someone who sits with someone who is deviant? That is the question. But that question can be posed regarding numerous figures in the public limelight. I would want to ask why you are specifying Shaykh Munawar?

Why does Asrar Rashid sit with Yaseen who sits with Abdul Hakim Murad? Why does Ijaz Shami sit with Isa Henderson who sits with Ninowy and Abdul Hakim Murad? Why does Nabeel Afzal and Irfan Shah sit with Faiz alAqtab who is defending Safi Razawi? Why did Mufti Yar praise Tahir alQadri? Why does Pir Ala alDin Siddiqui sit with all types of sects? Why does Saeedi Sahib sit next to a Shia on Pakistan Independence Day? Why did Saqib Shami sit with the Pir of Eidgah who celebrates Christmas? Why did Irfan Shah sit wit Ahmad Dabbagh? Why does Asrar, Yaseen, Ijaz and others associate with Asim who is associated with Abdul Hakim and Ninowy? And they are associated with Khalid from Leicster who is with Deobandis? Why do they associate with Pirzada Sahib who advocates Christmas? Why do some scholars from the above promote Pir Karam Shah who is controversial?

Why do all the above associate with different Pirs who are questionable and attend conferences organised by questionable figures?

The same with clarification: Why don't all the above clarify what they think of all the people they associate with? Asrar Rashid has not said anything in public about Shaykh Yaqoubi. He formerly lavished praise on the latter. He may be responsible for some people joining his group.The same goes for people who praised anyone. Why does Sayyid Irfan Shah praise Pir Nasir when his tawbah is not established? Why do they all associate with Pirs who are not qualified to be Pirs?

The same applies to picture taking: Why has Saqib Shami not clarified why he was witnessed at a TQ conference and later photographed with TQ's cult member?Why did Pir Niaz allow Nuh Keller into HSBT and to this date the Ulama have not reprimanded Pir Niaz? Why does Ghamkol allow all sorts of innovators onto its stage yet all of the above figures have stayed quiet regarding this? Maybe they have condemned these things but they haven't reached us? The internet is not the only source of statements. Why did Qamar Zaman Azmi sit with David Cameron and Warsi? Warsi attended a Qadiyani conference and praised them. Why did Hisham Kabbani take photos with George Bush a mass murderer? Yet Asrar Rashid praised him some years ago? Saeedi Sahib, Irfan Shah and others respect Shaykh Hisham? Why did Saeedi Sahib, Irfan Shah and others stand up for Prince Charles? Why haven't they clarified this?

The list of questions and clarifications go on and on.

I would like to ask the ultimate question: why are we so obsessed if we know what we should be doing as Muslims? If we don't know what to do then why ain't we learning our priorities?

If we got off forums, FB, Twitter and other time consuming devices we would have more time to concentrate on what we need to do as Muslims.

In conclusion: I believe no one needs to clarify to us on forums and we need to get on with what we need to do as individual Muslims.

Those people who take a deviant stance are recognisable. The problem is sometimes our religiosity is only personified by chasing after Sunnis who we are suspicious of. This becomes time consuming and we do not concentrate on what concerns us as individuals.

We have people posting 'maslak e Ala Hazrat' on FB, then on the same FB they post how they had dinner with a ghayr mahram woman.One of my brothers in din pointed this flaw out to me regarding our fellow Sunnis who post on social media and it made me realise that this is an admonition for myself before others.

This is my last post on the forum. The only reason I posted now was because someone pointed out this particular post to me. I know a lot of people will pull out my past posts and contradictions or answering the points I posted but I will not be replying or even looking at the forum or the internet. The reason is that I want to concentrate on self betterment and use my time more productively. I pray we all learn in time that what matters in the long run is what concerns our individual self.

Note for Ghulam: This is my last post sidi. I only posted because I didn't like the way people were pin pointing only Shaykh Munawwar when in reality the same points could be made regarding anyone.

 

cD Munawar Ateeq al Ridawi will not clear his stance for everyone who thinks he will your living in kuKu land he is happier hand in hand with everyone - as the video of Sayyidi uniting Sunnis with Shias what are all the ulema waiting for ? If Tahir Jhangvi made such statements there would be piles of Fatawa written and published

They should condemn it openly if they have a problem !

Or are we in a state where we are only good at condemning people from the sub continent and have no back bone to speak against the ones out of the sub continent?

 

Which mawlana has gone public regarding sh muhammad al yaqoubi as of yet?

 

shaykh yaqoubi praised hezbulla in its war against the Zionist state in south Lebanon. When it is a fact on the ground that the real fighters are Palestinians most of the times. Right now, the same hezbulla is busy killing Syrian Sunni Muslims all over western Syria from Daraa to Aleppo. shaykh yaqoubi understands that the main opponent to the Syrian revolution is hezbulla. What is his opinion now regarding hezbulla?

 

i was not referring to the video

 

I was not trying to be rude... Its actually my fault i thought the comments were from brother KS hence i was trying to to say if KS sent that message to you in private and not directly posted it on here, then one should not share the message publicly without his permission,

however i have realised it was just the video he sent you, sorry

Your bit about me being a mureed of shaykh yaqoubi is just childish though... to answer your question no i am not

 

that's preposterous. It's a YouTube video. It's already broadcasted publicly. Besides, why would you want to keep the video secret if you've got nothing to hide or be ashamed of?

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also I think desis ought to stop taking non-desis to task for just associating with deos. Deos change colors like a chameleon ND might not be easily discernable to non desis. It looks pathetic to be honest when desi Sunnis whine about why or how a nondesi shaykh sat with a deo.

rather any shaykh should be taken to task for their aberrant positions or support of such positions. Hence it makes sense to take nuh "i'm judge n jury over the world's Urdu speakers" keller to task, because he spelled out the bidah ND blasphemy and showed his unconditional support for it and put his jahala on public display.

 

Paradise Seeker that is abit random - sounded really rude

I was hinting that its not just me who see's a genuine error

i know your a maureed of Shaykh Yaqoubi but calm down

 

@Sacred - If KS sent that to you through private message - then why are you broadcasting it on here??

 

Kattar Sunni just sent me this by inbox
"The Shia are our brothers and they are muslims..."

Agent X
1) All the maureeds in brum have been told to stay away from Shaykh Asrar by the highers in the cult because he confronted Shaykh Muhammad for not retracting Ijazahs from Hamza Yusufs blatant mistakes (common knowledge)

I am sure you have read the cult thread on sunnaforum and the threads on this page regarding shaykh yaqoubi

2) They are liking the post on LOVERS OF SHAYKH YAQOUBI PAGE (the admin has put that old quote up)
Firstly for the admin to even put that quote up on the lovers of shaykh yaqoubi page shows that they think Mufti Monawwar does not that have an issue with Shaykh Yaqoubi's latest mistakes

3) Normally students distance themselves from the actions of there teachers if they dont agree with them (its not just deobandis its the issue of Hamza Yusuf which is huge)

4) Your putting 2 & 2 situation does not work with blind cult followers. They need any straw to clutch onto and to be honest mufti saab got very known through yaqoubi in that 2007 period.

5) I wont be around at that particular time but how about you inform Shaykh Monawwar that Shaykh Abdou sits with these people since you are closer to him then us

QUESTIONS TO YOU AGENT X

1) Why is it that things which are blantatly clear to the awwam could be missed by scholars? (So it is clear by videos that shaykh abdou sits with such people so how do scholars miss it?)

2) Agent X what is your opinion of Shaykh Yaqoubi not retracting the ijazah from Hamza Yusuf? Do you agree or disagree? do you think it is major or minor?

b) what is your opinion of keeping aqidah in classrooms?

3) Dont you think when scholars share events they should research into the company of people through youtube or ask someone? or are they to busy?

4) why dont you ask Abu Hasan why he said Mufti Saab's stance should be clear?

Please answer fully

 

Kattar Sunni just sent me this by inbox
(Shia Muslims - Shaykh Yaqoubi)

"The Shia are our brothers and they are muslims..."

Agent X

1) All the maureeds have been told to stay away from Shaykh Asrar by the highers in the cult because he confronted Shaykh Muhammad not retracted Ijazahs from Shaykh Yaqoubi

I am sure you have read the cult thread on sunnaforum and the threads on this page regarding shaykh yaqoubi

2) They are liking the post on LOVERS OF SHAYKH YAQOUBI PAGE (the admin has put that old quote up)
Firstly for the admin to even put that quote up on the lovers of shaykh yaqoubi page shows that they think Mufti Monawwar does not that have an issue with Shaykh Yaqoubi's latest mistakes

3) Normally students distance themselves from the actions of there teachers if they dont agree with them (its not just deobandis its the issue of Hamza Yusuf)

4) I wont be around at that particular time but how about you inform Shaykh Monawwar through phone or text that Shaykh Abdou sits with these people since you are closer to him then us

QUESTION

1) Why is it that things which are blantatly clear to the awwam could be missed by scholars? (So it is clear by videos that shaykh abdou sits with such people so how do scholars miss it?)

2) Agent X what is your opinion of Shaykh Yaqoubi not retracting the ijazah from Hamza Yusuf? Do you agree or disagree? do you think it is major or minor?

Please answer fully

 

Kattar Sunni just sent me this by inbox
"The Shia are our brothers and they are muslims..."

Agent X

1) All the maureeds n brum have been told to stay away from Shaykh Asrar by the highers in the cult because he confronted Shaykh Muhammad not retracted Ijazahs from Shaykh Yaqoubi blatant mistakes (common knowledge)

I am sure you have read the cult thread on sunnaforum and the threads on this page regarding shaykh yaqoubi

2) They are liking the post on LOVERS OF SHAYKH YAQOUBI PAGE (the admin has put that old quote up)
Firstly for the admin to even put that quote up on the lovers of shaykh yaqoubi page shows that they think Mufti Monawwar does not that have an issue with Shaykh Yaqoubi's latest mistakes

3) Normally students distance themselves from the actions of there teachers if they dont agree with them (its not just deobandis its the issue of Hamza Yusuf which is huge)

4) Your putting 2 & 2 situation does not work with blind cult followers. They need any straw to clutch onto and to be honest mufti saab got very known through yaqoubi in that 2007 period.

5) I wont be around at that particular time but how about you inform Shaykh Monawwar that Shaykh Abdou sits with these people since you are closer to him then us

QUESTION

1) Why is it that things which are blantatly clear to the awwam could be missed by scholars? (So it is clear by videos that shaykh abdou sits with such people so how do scholars miss it?)

2) Agent X what is your opinion of Shaykh Yaqoubi not retracting the ijazah from Hamza Yusuf? Do you agree or disagree? do you think it is major or minor?

b) what is your opinion of keeping aqidah in classrooms?

3) Dont you think when scholars share events they should research into the company of people through youtube or ask someone? or are they to busy?

4) why dont you ask Abu Hasan why he said Mufti Saab's stance should be clear?



Please answer fully

 

You do know that Mr Abdulouye Sawadogo doesn't speak a word of English or Urdu... As far as im aware he only speaks & understands Arabic so he may possibly be unaware of the Deo issues due to language barriers...

He is a Arabic teacher from what I understand & not a Alim, so I don't get why they use shaykh for him.. wouldn't Qari be better instead... People hear/see the word Shaykh and assume the individual will be a knowledgeable scholar in regards to understanding the Aqeeda issues and expect him to be perfect in that regard, whereas the possible reality could be that his a great Qari but totally uniformed like some average layman about these Aqeeda issues...

Perhaps Alama Samee needs to talk to him & explain the issue around the Deos.

 

HUH? Everyone knows Shaykh Asrars position regarding Shaykh yaqoubi? What position is that?

Do you have a video or anything written from Shaykh Asrar about this?

So once again whats the issue is someone is liking Shaykhs post whether it be a mureed or not?

Shaykh has spoken out about deobandis plenty of times.

Now if A is sitting a deo and A has a student who speaks out about deos I'm sure it doesnt take much to add 2 and 2 together?

As for the event does Shaykh know that someone sits with AHM and Ninowy?

Shaykh Monawwar will be in Birmingham on Sunday at 17:00 perhaps you could ask them and also let us know what Shaykh Monawwar has to say?