Who is Ahmad Dabbagh?

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  1. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

  2. ahmad786

    ahmad786 Active Member


    Tariqa Muhammadiya have also made a DVD like this about one of the Deobandi elders. I can't quite remember who it was specifically.

    Also, the Murids at the stall kept referring to a Imam Deoband when I spoke to them.

    I asked them about their opinions regarding the conflict, they replied Imam Deoband and Imam Bareli were pious people but their followers messed things up.
     
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    does that mean that you have buried your differences and are now cosy with devbandis?
     
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  4. yasknowz

    yasknowz New Member

    Brother I think you should go back to india if you want to continue your century old feud with the deobandis. People in the uk dont have time for this nonsense. Get with the times
     
  5. yasknowz

    yasknowz New Member

    Assalamu alaykum warahmatullah

    Unfortunately all those who have made negative comments about the great shaykh Ahmad Dabbagh only seem to make baseless accusations, but never provide evidence. If they are so sure about their claims then why dont they back them up. The truth of the matter is that they are just becoming a mouth piece of shaytan. If you really would like to get to the bottom of the matter why dont you make the effort to come and personally see him or contact him via his facebook page. By spreading slander about Awliya you are just harming yourself and no one else. The true Awliyah have always been criticised anyway so Alhamdulillah this should be taken as a positive sign in regards to the Shaykh, Let the haters hate!
     
  6. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

    image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg Thank you for providing a different prespectve as negative and positive is required to make a final opinion. I have gone through the all thread every person who has given a positive view, most of them have provided evidence in the form of website, Dabbagh's own statement or DVD clips, the spiritual chain, facebook evidence of 4 years, scholars view etc. Those of negative view like yourselves have just words and allegations and no evidence except hearsay or I heard etc.. His Mureed said...., He is undercover....

    Please provide some evidence so that people like myself living in other countries can make a final opinion. Even now I am following his facebook in which it is shown he has held an Urs of his great grand father Shaykh Khayruddeen rahimahullah who is direct student of Shaykh Bahaudden Zakariiyya rahimahullah. One of Pakistans prominent scholar is sitting with hm and is special guest Allama Raza Saqib Mustafai from Gujranwala. I have heard the clip and he said regarding Dabbagh that he is Fakhre islaaf meaning the pride of ancestors. Last year's facebok record is showing Allama Raza Saqib invited him in his place.

    I am well confused as if Dabbagh is pious
    man I fear I might say somrtng wrong regarding a Muslim as the Quran says always investigate. I was thinking everyone can be deceived but his village people cannot be mistaken about him and his ancestors. Has anyone been to his village , Haqiqah in Kharian
     
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  7. Musafir

    Musafir Active Member

    If someone has watched the complete video does he mention the fatwa was one of takfeer and does he name the ghustaakhs by their names?
     
  8. Adam Yahya

    Adam Yahya Active Member



    The DVD is the complete version of the talk above which runs for over 1hr and 6 mins in length. In the complete DVD version, after the clip linked above runs through its duration, Sh Dabbagh goes on to state that Ala Hazrat (ra) wrote a fatwa against the Deobandi scholars, after he was totally convinced of their falsehood after 10 years... After a few other examples, I believe the point Sh Dabbagh was trying to make was that Ala Hazrat (ra) stood his ground is his verdicts and was never deterred from proclaiming Haq.
     
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  9. Adam Yahya

    Adam Yahya Active Member

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    DVD with complete talks etc. Free to order...
     
  10. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

    Sayyiduna Idrees Ad Dabbagh was a descendant of SAYYIDUNA ABDUL Aziz Ad Dabbagh (May Allah have mercy on him) I have found a comprehensive Shajrah on their facebook and apparently there is a poster on it which announces Urs of Ahmad Dabbagh's great grand father and a prominent Sunni scholar is the chief guest who's videos and speeches are very much appreciated in whole of Pakistan Allama Raza Saqib Mustafai, who is also friend of Ahmad Dabbagh. I think we should search thoroughly and get records straight before we form a decisive opinion.

    From his facebook page in recent days he has been in a tour of South Africa where intellectuals and scholars met him and listened to him.

    Please see the attachments. His one Shaykh still lives Shaykh Murtaza bin Ahmad who was the student of Shaykh Salih Jafri of Egypt of Muhammadiyah Idreesiyah order. It seems he has chains from his grand father from Siharwardiyah and from others in Shadhiliyah Tareeqah. In UK I have asked authentic personalities like Mufti Gul Rahman, mufti Yar Muhammad Qadri
    Shaykh Umar Hayat, Sayyid Zafrullah shah of Sultan Bahu Trust. They have a good opinion of him. Even sayyid Irfan shah after the written statement says we should remain silent unless there is proof to contrary.

    Most of the above information is from their facebook page "Ahmad Dabbagh" and personal interaction with Ulama.

    Please brothers I am looking for any evidence or proof contrary to this so that we can give honest opinion otherwise at least I may have to repent saying any bad thing about a person who apparently is a pious man and spend 6-7 Months in travelling for Deen as is evident from their page. I think I should look at their
    1. Facebook page in detail
    2. read his book thoroughly
    3. Visit their website content Zawiyah org in detail and then get back as the above is just image.jpg image.jpg apparent assessment.
     
  11. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Just an observation. It is fashionable these days to claim to be 40th in the chain (given its auspicious significance). Nazim Haqqani has similar claims to be 40th in the "Golden" Naqshbandi Silsila.
     
  12. Ibn Malik

    Ibn Malik New Member

    Interesting thread.
    Regarding the chain seems to be Qadri > Shadhili ..
    who is '39. Sayyiduna Idrees Ad-Dabbgh (May Allah have mercy on him).'
    That is the person Shaykh Ahmad Dabbagh inherited the Tareeqa from, anyone have any information on Sayyiduna Idrees?
     
  13. Sag-e-Attar786

    Sag-e-Attar786 New Member

    Sanads off website

    Hasani Sanad of Tareeqah Muhammadiyah

    1. The Messenger of Allah Sayyiduna Muhammad bin Abdullah (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam).
    2. The crown of Gnostics Sayyiduna Ali bin Abi Tālib (May Allah be pleased with him).
    3. Sayyiduna Imām Hasan bin Ali (May Allah be pleased with them).
    4. Sayyiduna Hasan Al-Basariy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    5. Sayyiduna Habeeb Al-Ajmiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    6. Sayyiduna Dawood At-Taee (May Allah have mercy on him).
    7. Sayyiduna Ma’rūf Al-Karkhi (May Allah have mercy on him).
    8. Sayyiduna Sarri As-Saqtiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    9. Sayyiduna Junaid Al-Baghdādiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    10. Sayyiduna Abu Bakr Shibliy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    11. Sayyiduna Abu Al-Fadhl Abdul Wāhid Tameemiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    12. Sayyiduna Abu Al-Farj At-Tartūsiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    13. Sayyiduna Abul Hasan Ali Al-Qarshiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    14. Sayyiduna Saeed Al-Mubarak Al-Makhzūmiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    15. Sayyiduna Al-Ghowth Abdul Qādir Al-Jilāniy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    16. Sayyiduna Abdur Rahmān Az-Zayyat Al-Madaniy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    17. Sayyiduna Abdus Salām Masheesh Al-Hasaniy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    18. Sayyiduna Abul Hasan Al-Shāzily (May Allah have mercy on him).
    19. Sayyiduna Abul Abbās Mursiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    20. Sayyiduna Ahmad bin Atā-Allah As-Sikandary (May Allah have mercy on him).
    21. Sayyiduna Dawood Al-Bākhīly (May Allah have mercy on him).
    22. Sayyiduna Muhammad Bahr-us-Safā (May Allah have mercy on him).
    23. Sayyiduna Ali bin Muhammad Wafā (May Allah have mercy on him).
    24. Sayyiduna Yahyā Al-Qādirī (May Allah have mercy on him).
    25. Sayyiduna Ahmad bin Aqabah Al-Hadhrami (May Allah have mercy on him).
    26. Sayyiduna Ahmad Zarūq (May Allah have mercy on him).
    27. Sayyiduna Ahmad bin Yusuf (May Allah have mercy on him).
    28. Sayyiduna Ali bin Abdullah (May Allah have mercy on him).
    29. Sayyiduna Abul Qāsim Al-Ghāzy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    30. Sayyiduna Ahmad bin Ali Ad-Darāiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    31. Sayyiduna Muhammad bin Nāsir (May Allah have mercy on him).
    32. Sayyiduna Al-Arabi Al-Fishtāly (May Allah have mercy on him).
    33. Sayyiduna Umar bin Muhammad Al-Hawāriy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    34. Sayyiduna Ghowth Al-Zaman Abdul Azeez Ad-Dabbāgh Al-Hasani (May Allah have mercy on
    him).
    35. Sayyiduna Abu Tarbūsh Ad-Dabbāgh (May Allah have mercy on him).
    36. Sayyiduna Abdul Qādir Ad-Dabbāgh (May Allah have mercy on him).
    37. Sayyiduna Hasan Ad-Dabbāgh (May Allah have mercy on him).
    38. Sayyiduna Muhammad Ad-Dabbāgh (May Allah have mercy on him).
    39. Sayyiduna Idrees Ad-Dabbgh (May Allah have mercy on him).
    40. Sayyiduna Ahmad Dabbāgh (Damat Barakatuhu)

    Hussainiy Sanad of Tareeqah Muhammadiyah
    1. The Messenger of Allah Sayyiduna Muhammad bin Abdullah (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam).
    2. The crown of Gnostics Sayyiduna Ali bin Abi Tālib (May Allah be pleased with him).
    3. Sayyiduna Imām Hussain bin Ali (May Allah be pleased with them).
    4. Sayyiduna Imām Ali Zainul Ābideen bin Hussain (May Allah be pleased with them).
    5. Sayyiduna Imām Muhammad Bāqir (May Allah have mercy on him).
    6. Sayyiduna Imām Ja’far As-Sādiq (May Allah have mercy on him).
    7. Sayyiduna Imām Musā Kāzim (May Allah have mercy on him).
    8. Sayyiduna Imām Ali bin Musā Radhā (May Allah have mercy on him).
    9. Sayyiduna Ma’rūf Al-Karkhi (May Allah have mercy on him).
    10. Sayyiduna Sarri As-Saqtiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    11. Sayyiduna Junaid Al-Baghdādiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    12. Sayyiduna Abu Bakr Shibliy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    13. Sayyiduna Abu Al-Fadhl Abdul Wāhid Tameemiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    14. Sayyiduna Abu Al-Farj At-Tartūsiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    15. Sayyiduna Abul Hasan Ali Al-Qarshiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    16. Sayyiduna Saeed Al-Mubarak Al-Makhzūmiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    17. Sayyiduna Al-Ghowth Abdul Qādir Al-Jilāniy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    18. Sayyiduna Abdur Rahmān Az-Zayyat Al-Madaniy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    19. Sayyiduna Abdus Salām Masheesh Al-Hasaniy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    20. Sayyiduna Abul Hasan Al-Shāzily (May Allah have mercy on him).
    21. Sayyiduna Abul Abbās Mursiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    22. Sayyiduna Ahmad bin Atā-Allah As-Sikandary (May Allah have mercy on him).
    23. Sayyiduna Dawood Al-Bākhīly (May Allah have mercy on him).
    24. Sayyiduna Muhammad Bahr-us-Safā (May Allah have mercy on him). 2
    25. Sayyiduna Ali bin Muhammad Wafā (May Allah have mercy on him).
    26. Sayyiduna Yahyā Al-Qādirī (May Allah have mercy on him).
    27. Sayyiduna Ahmad bin Aqabah Al-Hadhrami (May Allah have mercy on him).
    28. Sayyiduna Ahmad Zarūq (May Allah have mercy on him).
    29. Sayyiduna Ahmad bin Yusuf (May Allah have mercy on him).
    30. Sayyiduna Ali bin Abdullah (May Allah have mercy on him).
    31. Sayyiduna Abul Qāsim Al-Ghāzy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    32. Sayyiduna Ahmad bin Ali Ad-Darāiy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    33. Sayyiduna Muhammad bin Nāsir (May Allah have mercy on him).
    34. Sayyiduna Al-Arabi Al-Fishtāly (May Allah have mercy on him).
    35. Sayyiduna Umar bin Muhammad Al-Hawāriy (May Allah have mercy on him).
    36. Sayyiduna Ghowth Al-Zaman Abdul Azeez Ad-Dabbāgh Al-Hasani (May Allah have mercy on
    him).
    37. Sayyiduna Abu Tarbūsh Ad-Dabbāgh (May Allah have mercy on him).
    38. Sayyiduna Abdul Qādir Ad-Dabbāgh (May Allah have mercy on him).
    39. Sayyiduna Hasan Ad-Dabbāgh (May Allah have mercy on him).
    40. Sayyiduna Muhammad Ad-Dabbāgh (May Allah have mercy on him).
    41. Sayyiduna Idrees Ad-Dabbāgh (May Allah have mercy on him).
    42. Sayyiduna Ahmad Dabbāgh (Damat Barakatuhu)
     
  14. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Where is his connected chain of silisila?

    Or is his claim based on dreams?
     
  15. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

    Brothers, Islam forbids us to have bad opinion of a Muslim let aside those who are doing some work of Deen. I have interacted with this person and I found he is humble, from Ahlu SUNNAH but lets the followers of other religions and sects come closer and with his suhbah people change gradually. He does not take any fee or money for his services.

    We do not need to get into people's personal lives but if anyone has any proof of any wrong doing, then please present so that we may warn others. Otherwise Allah's warning stands against us.

    For information the brother is descendant of Imam Hassan Basri and Shaykh Khayrudeen Auliyah who was the Khalifah of Shaykh Bahauddeen Zakariyyah. In the village his tomb still stands.
     
  16. trueislamicpath

    trueislamicpath New Member

    With all due respect that's not really an argument for anything. It's common practise for Sufi shaykh's once qualified to assume the name of their own Shaykh as a representative of the silsila as in such and such al Rifa'i or Al Chisti or Raza etc. You find it all over
     
  17. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Perhaps he could say Ahmad Pakistani and not Ahmad Dabbagh. Is there shame in referring to oneself as Pakistani?

    Dabbagh is an arab family name, usually of Sadaat. It is not Pakistani. Some Pakistanis have this habit of changing their family names to elevate their perceived status back-home. Why not Shaykh Ahmad JaTT? There is no shame in being a jaTT

    He was with Faraz Shaytani at Seeker's Hub. Perhaps they exchanged their love for Ashrafi li thanvi while together?

    https://www.facebook.com/shaykhfarazrabbani/posts/10152432419216051
     
  18. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    I agree aligations of jinn control & performing magic shouldn't be made without proof against any individual. But I wouldn't hold your breath on receiving any proof as these things by their very nature are notoriously difficult to prove in most cases.
     
  19. trueislamicpath

    trueislamicpath New Member

    Point taken Barry. It wasn't you that said it- It was the profile named "IslamistheTruth" below. Are they willing to comment?
     
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  20. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    I will give him credit that this video is very informative Alhamdulillah,

    But like I said im still doubtful to some extent due the pro deo gibberish his mureeds were spouting to me a while back... so for now I personally will continue to avoid him to be on the safe side... I value my Imaan to much to be careless about who I follow.

    Perhaps in 10 years time if all the questions become clear in relation to him and its is crystal clear his a kattar sunni then I may change my views about him but untill then I keep him at arms length.
     

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