Idiotic eshaykh answers

Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by AbdalQadir, Jun 3, 2015.

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  1. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    Of course If a laymen does say such things, one will have doubt , especially when he reiterated an overly deduced transmission of saying , which was at origin: fit to the logical mindset of the awam.

    But one can easily understand than since the Naqshbandi shayoukh take from the sirr of Hazrat Abu Bakr al Siddique (r.a) then from the alam-e-arwah, all the souls which were predestined for receiving the nisbat with the Naqshbadi Chain all were present in that form which was not manifest.

    This is similar to when The Angels and Jinns were asked to make sajdah to Adam (alayhi Asalam), but some of the Awliya and A'arifeen that it was for the honor of the "Nur of Muhammad Salalfi alayhi wa Salim. Which was manifest in two forehead of Sayyidina Adam (Alayhi Salam). Contextually, by basic first level interpretation one does not find this form of exegesis.

    But there is a knowledge which everyone knows, then one that a scholar only knows, then one that the Arif only knows . But All are minute, like a particle in a universe , compared to what the Sayyiduna Rasool-e-Aqdas Muhammad salalahualayhi wasallim knows.

    - And Allah and His Prophet knows best
     
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  2. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    In present times, media advertisement makes people mufakkirs, sultan e awliya, mufti-e-zaman, shaykh ul Alam, shaykh Ul Islam, and so forth. And unfortunately the common Muslim searches for guides based on the media ranks of such individuals. Then these people start boasting that we are murids of such and such!

    Today's times are very much proof of what Rasoolullah Swallallahu Alaihi Wasallam foretold us of, that the ignorant shall deliver speeches and the people shall flock towards them.

    Just last year I happened to meet an ignorant nazimite during Umrah who was part of our group. We happened to climb mount thaur and this guy was so excited and was one of the first to reach the cave. When I managed to finally reach the cave this guy told me of the reason for seeing the cave being his life long ambition. It was coz his grand master had told that when the secrets were being revealed at the cave then the souls of all the naqshbandi saints were also present at that time and whatever was passed on to the two companions was also passed on to all the saints who were present there spiritually!

    This is blatant kufr against the explicit Quranic verse which states that Rasulullah (saws) and Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (ra) were the two present at that time (along with Allah Taalah of course)!

    This was just to highlight the unfortunate truth about the utter state of these followers.

    And this is why one should ask questions from a real shaykh rather than an electronic one (i.e eshaykh)!
     
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  3. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    To many Sufi pretenders these days.
     
  4. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    To me this highlights a mentality of his & others who are part of the same circle, that they will put the rank & honour of the pir above the honour of all else, be that the companions or the blessed messenger (Allah bless them all).

    The gist is that they encourage you to disassociate with those that don't accept their pir, but they're all for promotion of marriages with shias who have hatred towards companions (peace be upon them all). It's cult mentalities like this that keep Muslims in a state of ignorance which inevitably can lead to acts & words that take one out of the fold of islam, and the individual in question will be to stupid to even realise.

    The future looks bleak if this is what people find appealing & run towards.
     
  5. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Thanks for pointing out. I did have a hunch that they might be tafzili (by the Alaihis Salaam to Imam Mehdi RA) but never the less the article on Nazim has some alarming evidence.
     
  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i think the questioner meant that his family is wahabi while he is of nazim paleed's cult.

    i don't know which rebuttal you read, but gibril's response to criticism of nazim (that i read) pretty much amounted to "he's nazim al-qubrusi. he's sultan al-awliya- only because he and his fans say so. don't say anything about him or question him. take my word for it"; nothing academic or factual. it was pathetic beyond words for a man of his "learning" and "reasoning".

    so do the christians and jews love the Prophet, 3alaihis salam?

    and do the shias love the khulafaa Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman, ridwan Allahi 3alaihim ajma3een? aren't they greater than any shaykh who has ever lived?
    (rhetorical questions)

    yet he is piqued at a mureed contemplating marrying someone who doesn't "believe in my sheikh, Mawlana sheikh Nazim"! what exactly are the 3aqaid we need to adhere to in regards to nazim to "believe"* in him???

    gibril's "tafaqquh" belongs in the rubbish bin.

    * i am being slightly facetious. the questioner probably meant the person doesn't 'trust' nazim (and rightly so) when he said he doesn't 'believe' in him. people say all the time things like 'i don't believe in the UN', 'i don't believe in human rights watch' etc. implying a lack of trust.
     
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  7. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    I refrain from making any judgment on the late shaykh, I take my info only through his son Shaykh mehmet, who in private gathering was saying that the shayhh has no mureeds nor any representatives which include from family members also , and that any information or propagated stories which have been spread previously should be taken with accord to sharia.

    If one were to see the scene around Shaykh Mehmet Adil who mostly resides in istanbul, and that of cyprus lefke. It is the polar opposite.
     
  8. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    We discussed this group a while back briefly on another thread, the message that I was sent away from this forum by a trustworthy brother is the following:

    "BEWARE OF CIFIA. They are not followers of Sahih Sunni aqidah. They are followers of a Tafdhili by the name of Mir Asadullah and one of them was close to the wife of Muhyi al-Shaytan al-Hazarwi (---------------------). They accuse Sayyidina Amir Mu`awiya radhiyAllahu anhu and fabricate to suit their own agenda."

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    I suppose the same could be said about the Nazamites i.e "They are not followers of of Sahih Sunni aqida"
     
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  9. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

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  10. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    That instagram thing is just shocking, I was always cautious about these guyes many years back for various other reasons as I always seemed to come across antics of theirs that just never sat right with me hence I chose to keep away, and after reading the twitter & taking into account many other things I find myself still at the same conclusion that these guys are sheep and very lost sheep at that since their shepherds are completely off their rockers. Any sane individual should be able to understand that such people should be avoided.
     
  11. AMQadiri

    AMQadiri Seeker

    Found this on Instagram last year (I have removed the user's profile image and name)
     

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  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    does anyone have a copy of the obit of nazim written by his khalifa which had outright kufriyat in it?
     
  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this is the gist of gibril haddad's approach which made me to abandon him. you should have read the rejoinder to one who criticised nazim qubrusi (it was palazzi i think) - gibril was unleashing his skill and knowledge and could be passionate about the subject.

    but when it comes to those who have insulted the Messenger of Allah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, gibril's learning leaves him and he becomes a dunce - poor gibril cannot discern between things, among a thousand other assorted excuses.

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    this came to my mind spontaneously, and i cite, without pointing this at anyone in particular:

    when a person humbles himself in front of a rich man for his wealth, two-thirds of his deen is destroyed.

    ----
    نسأل الله العافية
     
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  14. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    "Good One" as the ceo would say
     
  15. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    What he should have recommended to the Najdi who considers himself a sunni, is to read Bahaar e Shariat especially volume 1. Yet like a salesman his sticking to the sales pitch of his CEO
     
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  16. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    "and do the beginner’s wazifa for six months as it will be more helpful for you than six years of hadith studies"

    Haddad is acting like an agent for Nazim. nothing more.
     
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  17. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    Question:

    Asalamu Alaykum, I don’t know what to do, there’s this guy that I love. He has asked me to marry him, but he doesn’t do Mawlid or believe in my sheikh, Mawlana sheikh Nazim. I know that in Islam children follow on what the father is, and he calls himself Sunni but he isn’t. What should I do? How do I know I’m making the right decision?

    Answer:

    Alaykum Salam, If Mawlana Shaykh Nazim (Allah bless his secret) is your shaykh then he is closer to you than your own father. If you can love someone who refuses to love your father then go ahead and marry him. Sunna means the Way of our Prophet (upon him blessings and peace); if you are Prophet’s follower yet you can love someone whom you yourself describe as non-Sunni then go ahead and marry him. Otherwise, then Allah is Most Rich and Generous, He will send a better match for you and your future family.

    Hajj Gibril Haddad

    http://eshaykh.com/family/marriagedivorce/help-10/

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    In the above question Mr Haddad is basically saying because the guy isn't a fan of Mr Nazim he should be avoided & to add weight he emphasis his possibly being a non sunni therefore he should also be avoided, then mention waiting for someone better.

    I agree with the part of boycotting non sunnis for marriage, but the answer he gives to another question below seems at odds with what his said above.


    Marriage with a Shia

    Question:

    salam I am an Indian Muslim belongs to a Wahabi family. I want to marry a Shia girl. I want to ask that is it necessary to convert her into Sunnism, as I see no difference between Shia and Sunni. Both believe in Allah, Prophet Mohammad, Holy Quran and practice five times salah also. They have only some political differences over khilafat only. So please tell me that is our shariah allow us to marry inter-sect with Shias or not and if not then why is it so. Also refer me hadiths in this regard So please help me in this regard. thanking you

    Answer:

    `Alaykum as-Salam, The Shari`ah permits a man to marry a Jewish or Christian woman, so it certainly permits to marry a non-Sunni Muslim woman. It only recommends or rather requires that that man have strong iman, otherwise his religion will be in danger. You should take bay`a with Mawlana Shaykh Nazim if you have not already done so, and do the beginner’s wazifa for six months as it will be more helpful for you than six years of hadith studies, and Allah knows best. Prophet (upon him blessings and peace) said: “Deen (religion) consists entirely in Nasiha.”

    Hajj Gibril Haddad

    http://eshaykh.com/family/marriage-with-a-shia/

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    In this answer he is telling a Najdi who considers himself sunni (ironic), that it's absolutely cool to marry into a shia family as long as he believes his iman to be strong. And we also see the take bay`a with us line crop up lol

    This second answer was also used by the eshaykh staff to answer the following question: "I am a sunni muslim I've married a Shia girl, people are saying this Nikah is Haram, please guide me on what I can do now"

    Doesn't this send out a message that if the potential spouse doesn't like Mr Nazim then boycott him, but on the other hand it's absolutely fine to jump into a marriage with Shias who abuse the Companions (Allah be pleased with them all)

    I find these answers very cultish when I think about it, everything seems to be dusted with a pinch of join our group.
     
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