Devbandi duo on ilm al-ghayb

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  1. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    I posted that to help sunni brothers/add to the discussion clearly labeled it as from deobandis.

    If any previous issues / bad will exists towards me in any of the brothers hearts here you are welcome to contact me anonymously by facebook messenger phone. Details will be provided to whoever wants to speak to me.
     
  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    aah! at 39:11 he brings up jaa al-Haqq.

    so this is the issue about that mirqat quote. nice.

    i wish more devbandis put their name to it than these two clowns. it will be fun, i promise.
     
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the madhouse is surely looking for their two occupants who have escaped.

    at 37:27 the two clowns talk about some dream and the imbecile on the right wants proof of the dream! i don't know what he is talking about, but ridiculing a dream and implying that it is false because there is no witness is very rich.

    if you are not a hypocrite you will publicly make a video that will challenge us to show a single such dream narrated by any of your akabirEEN.

    go ahead, challenge me - ask me whether i can show you any examples of dreams coming from nanotvi, or thanavi or gangohi or ambhetvi or tandwi or qari tayyib.

    please, challenge me. tell the world that the devbandis never make claims of dreams and whenever they do, they have proof of two witnesses who also saw those dreams.

    if you do not challenge me OR if you do not want to see what i show you, you have acknowledge that you are a filthy hypocrite.
     
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  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i suggest these guys sue the madrasah or the teachers they learned from. because they didn't learn basic reading skills. as the qur'an teaches us, merely placing books on a donkey does not make it a scholar - buying volumes and placing them on the tea table is no guarantee that they are capable of reading it.

    in all probability the guy has not seen the rest of the book. i am speaking of sharh al-maqaSid. go ahead and disprove me. if he has, then let him explain this passage AND tell me why taftazani is influenced from extremist rafizis.

    for those who have not seen the book, this is an argument/discussion about wali and the capabilities of a waliy.

    the same volume 5, p73.

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    what is the meaning of this objection? regardless of the answer, does the objection imply that prophets are given ilm al-ghayb?


    and few pages later, imam taftazani says in explaining this issue: ibid, p76-77:

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    i invite the two clowns [the other guy crowing "a-haa" is priceless watch after time: 25:25] to disprove me by explaining this passage.

    1. does this explanation affirm ilm ghayb for awliya - explicitly or implicitly?

    2. does this explanation affirm ilm ghayb for anbiya - explicitly or implicitly?

    if it does, then is taftazani taking from the extremist rafiDis according to your claim? if not, why not?

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    according to your extremely stupid claim what is the meaning of this aayah?

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    influenced from extremist rafidi beliefs i presume? [al iyadhu billah]

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    if he cannot explain it, or ignores it - either his deception is caught and he is embarrassed to dig his grave further - or he is incapable of reading/explaining the book that he so grandly waves at the viewers.
     
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  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    ain't got no 2 hours to waste, but i was curious and scrubbed a little.

    at 25:52 that clown on the right lays bare his stupidity. and the other clown "aa. yes yes."

    like trump and modi patting each other's back for being the bestest leaders.

    do i have to really demonstrate the jahl of this nincompoop who shows shiyi's claim to prove that sunnis are like rawafid?

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    the aqidah of ma kana wa ma yakun for RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam is from the hadith. but we will come to that later - we first need to see what these gents have to say.

    so, just because the shiyi claim that aimmah are ma'Sum, claiming ismat for anbiya is following the rawafiD?

    if the moron on the right cannot understand this, let him ask, i will try to explain it in a more simpler manner.

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    the paragraph that he shows from sharh al-maqaSid, v5, p252. what exactly does it prove?
    apart from the fact that the man is an idiot.

    pardon my using the word idiot so many times - it is really that frustrating. like reciting poetry in front of an ox. but i will try. some may think that i am foolish for reciting poetry in front of an ox, but bear with me.

    bayl ko jo aalim samajh rahe hain, unko samjhana maqsud hai.

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    at 25:25

    the part that he is reading about in sharh al-maqaSid is about the conditions the rafiDis placed on who can be an imam.

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    concerning conditions:

    as for the condition for mu'jizah, and knowledge of the unseen, and languages, and the crafts and skills and the nature [or composition] of foods and medicine and the wonders of the land and sea and the heaven and the earth; this is from the innovations/heresies of...

    the extreme rawafid made it a condition that for one to be an imam, they should display mu'jizah; that he should know the unseen and all the languages; and have knowledge of all the crafts and skills and know about the natures and compositions of all the foods and medicines and the wonders of the land and sea and the heaven and the earth.

    these are fantasies [or heresy, innovation] that lead to negating the imam and rejecting the shariah and its rulings.


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    what does this prove? it only proves that the condition imposed by rawafid for imamah (that is khilafah) is bizzare. and this belief ABOUT imams leads to rejecting the shariah (because these are attributes in prophets).

    but what does our moron learn from it? that the 'idea of ilm al-ghayb came from rawafiD'.

    tell me one thing: is it wrong to believe that prophets were given mujizahs? or is it also a belief taken from extreme rawafid that prophets are given mujizahs?

    according to this moron, the qur'an has also taken from extremist rawafiD aqidah [al-iyadhu billah], because the qur'an says that Prophet Adam alayhi's salam was given the knowledge of the names:

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    so is this belief also from extremist rawafid? the rafidi book that he displays?

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    according to your logic, whoever believes that prophets are given mu'jizah takes from extremist rawafid beliefs according to taftazani. in other words, devbandis do not believe in mujizat of prophets.

    if not, go ahead and make another video to explain the ibarat in full. we are waiting.
     
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  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the two idiots are back?
    if i remember i had demonstrated how stupid both the morons were in their 'objections'.

    when did they crawl out of the woodwork?
     
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  7. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran



    What is our response?
     
  8. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Sayyid Irfan shah would be better served returning to the UK and responding to the clip about ilm ul gayb that has been placed on another thread. The deos are using this as proof to prove their age old false claim against sunnis. The two individuals are from Bradford so instead of them directing these claims to Shaykh Asrar, they should contact Shah sahib directly. Why should a third party have to explain a statement when the person in question is more than capable of explaining what they meant.
     

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