Answering Objections about Mawlid - Mobile Graphics

Good thread:
https://twitter.com/d1mashqi/status/1708126164009553956?s=46&t=gQj3J5XGrkSHFmZ9zrWW8Q

 

Very few people catch this bid3ah. the wahabis and devbandis definitively attribute stuff to sahaba without evidence and then market it as if it's a set in stone nass. That is the ugliest bid3ah propagated by their top dogs like ibn uthaymeen ibn baz albani et al

Sure the 4 mujtahid imams have varying interpretations of various ahadith and ahkam, but they take those interpretations based on established principles and usool, whereas the wahabis firstly have no usool, secondly they have this big headedness that their interpretation is as definitive as the obligation of salah or the prohibition of zina. thirdly, they're not honest to their own jahil methodology, suddenly all the fantastical tawilat will be used to justify their najdi antics with no precedence in deen

I don't know which contemporary scholars have said this, but in Arab Sunni circles its popular that wahabis are called the yahood of our ummah, or another version, they're the majoos of our ummah

i'd like to posit that of course, and devbandis are the hindoos of our ummah... beghayrat chaploos qaum just like hindus... they just chant phull sapport saar to anyone who pays attention to them be it wahabis or nondesi Sunnis or jews or hindoos or christians or anyone

the one thing immediately uglier than a wahabi is a devbandi

 

this is the stupidest argument wahabies present. there are two possibilities RasulAllah sallallahu alaihi wasslam, the companions, or those who followed them did not celebrate mawlid in the present format that we do;

i-they did not do it like so many other things we do today for our deen and dunya, for example there is no evidence that rasulAllah alaihi afDalaus salt wat tasleem ever traded olive oil, or build places for wuDu in masajid, or kept paid muazzin, or imam for 5 prayers, sahabah and tabiy'in never used translations of Quran etc. There can be a hundred million things they never did, and their not doing it cannot be a basis to rule those things haram or bida'h

ii- they never did those things/actions because they disliked it, in this case that thing/action will be impermissible, but there should be a clear proof of it that they disliked it, otherwise it is haram to attribute to them that they did not do it because it was disliked, this indeed itself is a bida'h.

on the contrary we have proofs that permit it, for example fasting on Mon because rasuAllah was born on this day, fasting is a way of shukr, so is reciting Quran and zikr of rasulAllah alaihi afDalus salaat wat tasleem.

Only a stupid will argue that setting a day or date to do something is haram. setting a date for convenience so that everybody remembers it is a normal practice in our daily life. setting a date will be bida'h if we consider that it is wajib to celebrate mawlid on a certain day or date, but we do not claim that and we hold mawlid gatherings through out the year.

Only a stupid will argue that we should only fast on Mon or 12th rabiy' al awwal because this is what is proven from the sunnah, because this argument would entail that they deem it wajib to fast on the Mondays or 12th, or in other words celebrating mawlid would become wajib; whereas we only deem it mustahab in any manner which does not contradicts shariah

 

Brother, we will find out who had what in one's closet on at least one day.

I'll be attending the upcoming milad and jaloos in Heckmondwike at Kanzul Iman. Alhamdullilah. If anyone wants to check what's in my closet on the day then message me.

 

It's always these closet Deobandis who play semantics by grasping at straws.

 

Well I certainly didn't post on that blog and have no idea who that is.

I think I have the answers I need in your questions to me. Thank you for your time and patience brothers.

 

now i'm not saying anything directly, just playing media... @Aurangzeb can clarify himself

https://barelwism.wordpress.com/202...resent-at-multiple-places-with-their-essence/

 

were there muslims amongst salaf who said do not do this?

you sound like zameel in proxy - the excessive verbosity is reminiscent of that low-life and other devbandis.
which fiqhi principle says that it is not permissible to specify a day or hold some specific gathering for a purpose?

certainly.

how old are you? how many muslims did you interview and what is your sampling size? did they tell you that they are simply happy if they fulfill their basic obligations and anything else is a 'bonus'.

use the search function.

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/troll alert.

 

Is this something that is acceptable to share in support of permissibility of mawlid.

 

I fear that the zaleel's article on abu lahab is plagiarized from this 2010 article of the habashis

Essentially the habashis say that Mawlid is great and a means of barakah but please dont use the hadith of abu lahab's torture reduction as one of the proofs because of the problems associated with it aqidah wise and hadith science wise (in their perspective)

https://www.darulfatwa.org.au/en/abu-lahabs-torture/

Aside- also note that the habashis, UNLIKE our desi tafdilis and closet shias, DON'T subscribe to the iman of Abu Talib

Now read zaleel's 2020 article here:

https://barelwism.wordpress.com/2020/11/01/is-it-true-that-abu-lahabs-punishment-is-lightened-on-account-of-having-expressed-happiness-at-the-birth-of-the-prophet-ﷺ/ (take screenshots if you can)

 

Thank you for your detailed responses.

You mentioned that,

'their days were spent remembering the Prophet ﷺ at all times. so there was no need to highlight the month of his birth and the day of his birth - to remind muslims on their obligation of loving and obeying him.'

referring to the salaf.

Were there Muslims amongst the salaf who did not spend all their time doing this? Was it upon them to also spend their days doing so like the most righteous or did they also specify a day or hold some specific gathering for such purposes. If teaching or learning the sira is regarded as celebration then I cannot see that any muslim who objects to mawlid hasn't already done this.

Are there degrees or levels of celebrating the mawlid on the one end, the salaf remembering all the time and on the other hand a few mins reading from sira or watching a short clip about birth of our prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم? Is the whole scale of activity celebrating mawlid or are certain things required to fit the definition. You may or may not be surprised to learn that the average muslim who objects to celebrating mawlid is not even on the starting block to following the efforts of the salaf. Many are simply happy if they fulfill their basic obligations and anything else is a 'bonus'. That approach seems unwise but nevertheless appears common.

I would imagine the root of the objection is more to do with form and content and then a hefty amount of propaganda against mawlid. I remember Shaykh Asrar giving advice to Salafi types to celebrate mawlid in a way with a form and contents that even they would not object to such as a time convenient gathering to recite poetry in praise of our prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم.

Can you recommend some books on the matter from simple works to perhaps more complex treatises?

 

as a pakistani friend of mine said, rafziyon ka matam khatam hua, wahabiyon ka shuru hua

 

perhaps devbandis have proof from the salaf that organising it in rabiyu'n noor is bid'ah.
this is like the arabs in jahiliyyah - who considered safar inauspicious. the pagans of our time keep away from celebrations in rabiyu'l awwal.

 

i thot i'd take a screenshot before zaleel deleted his comment



and to my misfortune chanced upon the other article the zaleel linked below it, effectively lying upon Qadi Iyad too. just reading these two pieces by zaleel will prove beyond a shadow of doubt that devbandis are indeed wahabis, don't know why they like to stay in the closet and can't openly profess wahabism!

 

https://barelwism.wordpress.com/2023/09/20/gathering-for-dua-outside-arafah-vs-mawlid/

zaleel chimes in... his two faced conclusion is hilarious... if he has courage, let him write/translate the same piece in Arabic and Turkish and pass it on to the non-desi Sunni Ashari/Maturidi Sufis that devbandis so shamelessly do chaplusi to - and keep a straight face and join their "permissible, non-problematic" Mawlids done randomly during rest of the year! (zaleel contends that randomly, unorganizedly, sporadically gathering to praise the Prophet 3alaihis salam is fine, whereas organizing in Rabi3 ul Awwal is bid3ah)

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organizing and planning to go overseas with TB jamat is not bid3ah apparently.

 

none of the salaf translated books in foreign languages. qur'an and hadith was taught in arabic.
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but as islam spread among non-arabs it became necessary to translate the qur'an and hadith in ajami languages.

similarly, the early generation was drowned in the love of the Prophet ﷺ and they strived to learn about and live according to the sunnah. when this enthusiasm for sunnah and to learn about the life of the Prophet ﷺ became less among common people, later ulama came up with way to keep that remembrance alive. especially when rotten maulvis began to preach that the noble Prophet ﷺ was no more than a man like us, it has become all the more necessary to remind people that he ﷺ was not an ordinary man - every aspect of his worldly life is extraordinary.

his ﷺ birth was not an ordinary event. his blessed birth was the final brick in the magnificent palace of Prophets. sahih hadith tell us about the miraculous events of that night - only a dead heart will not be moved at this remembrance (dhikra).

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hadith works like mishkat - which do not have the isnad - should all be shunned. this was unheard of in the first 3 gens.
in fact, there are explicit condemnations in that period for those who mention hadith without isnad.

 

i can also dismiss objections summarily. are these the strongest objections you have for denying mawlid?

in our times, such a person is a shameless hypocrite. he acts as if every single action he does is explicitly found - in exact form and shape - in the actions of salaf.

this someone thinks he knows more about sunnah and bid'ah than the salaf themselves - either this or imam shafiyi was not among the salaf according to this deluded moron.

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plenty of water has flown down the bridge when the first imbecile came up with this moronic objection.
look up books for this answer.

how?

in other words, since sahih bukhari was not found among sahabah - perhaps imam bukhari was more pious and concerned about preserving the sunnah than abu bakr al-siddiq. in other words, imam bukhari was more pious than abu bakr al-siddiq raDi'Allah anhu. right? else why refer to a book that the sahabah didn't refer to?

yes of course. there are probably dozen hadith that instruct the ummah to stick to sahih bukhari, read it, teach it and write commentaries upon it. if you do not find anything in the qur'an, find it in sahih bukhari. is this the case?

also there was a clear instruction to the sahabah to compile the qur'an, diacritics and dots and various markers for wuquf etc.

'long tradition' - please give us a clear instruction of when was the gazette issued for this long tradition to begin and where does it end? what date?

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this is a lie. where is any explicit condemnation of 'celebrating mawlid'?

if you did not see any proper mawlid - you issue a ruling of prohibition. anecdotal evidence is enough proof for a general ruling. sub'HanAllah.

suppose there are praiseworthy actions such as:

will celebrating mawlid be praiseworthy in such a case?