taking kids to the mosque

Discussion in 'Hanafi Fiqh' started by Aqdas, Oct 31, 2007.

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    would it be fair to join the ruling of not allowing very young children in the mosque with the hadith of our master sallAllahu 'alaihi wasallam that we should start encouraging kids to pray at 7 and then derive that after they are 7, it would be fine to allow them in the mosque?

    although, the nuisance kids that aH talks about are a lot of the time older than 7. they fight and whisper loudly and certainly disturb the prayer. they tend to stand in the last row.

    are there dispensations to the ruling? e.g. bring them to the mosque but ensure they stand with you. but, even then, we see kids next to their dad misbehaving.

    i think the parents should only bring children about whom they are sure that they will not act against the adab of the mosque and salah. before then, they should be taught to pray at home with their mothers. this teachers them the salah and does not disturb anyone.

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    btw, there is the ruling that the front rows are for men, then hermaphrodites, then children [or is it the other way?] then women. which children are these?
     
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  2. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    sidi abu Hassan has explained it very well. it would be nice if he or someone else could also quote ahadith about keeping mosques from animals, mental handicaps, and young children (preschoolers) upon whom prayer is not incumbent yet. I have read somewhere and also heard it from an imam of a mosque but now unable to find it.

    the problem with brother ottoman is that he quotes statements from (hanafi) fiqh books without qualifications and references.
     
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    we were in a jumu'ah prayer and followed the imam as he bent down for ruku'u. the mosque was silent but for the whispers of the tasbihs. suddenly a shrill cry broke out; a child of about three or four was discomforted in some way and he voiced his protest with loud sobbing.

    was he hurt? was he feeling claustrophobic?

    i don't know about others, but i was certainly disturbed. sometimes for the safety of the child and sometimes for the want of a respite from his incessant cries.

    the imam said, samiyAllahu liman Hamidah. and a couple of little older boys joined the imam from various corners in the hall. when we went to sajdah and again a silence fell, the boys of about five or six kept chanting the takbirs loudly and repeatedly.

    after the taslim, almost every one was looking hither and thither.

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    once again, during eyd, we were assembled in the eid grounds. and there were boys and girls brightly decked in the ranks. the imam was saying takbirs when two boys began to argue and the older hit the younger and a scuffle ensued; the younger boy was wailing and disturbed our rank [and probably the one in front of us] but luckily when the imam started the recitation, the boys fell silent.
     
  4. SA01

    SA01 Veteran

    Brother Ottoman,

    Am not sure which angle you are coming from or which Scholar you are following, but instead of just reading texts (which is not sufficient in enhancing ones knowledge of Islam), it is better that your quote your sources and accurately. This is why they say 'little knowledge is dangerous knowledge'........everyone needs a guide to help explain the beautiful and pure Quranic Texts and Ahadith.

    Whilst your intentions may be harmless and innocent, your vague contributions to the site are becoming increasingly worrying as they hint at misleading the general Ummah of the True essence of The Most Perfect Deen.

    Please provide evidence in support of your claims before posting as this would save us all, I am sure, a lot of heartache.

    JazakAllah Khair.
     
  5. ottoman

    ottoman Veteran

    It is harâm to let mad people or small children who will bring najâsat into a mosque enter the mosque. It is makrûh if there is no danger of najâsat.
     
  6. tazkiyya2003

    tazkiyya2003 Active Member

    Don't scare people please

    Islam is soft and gentle

    Be kind to kids and magnetically attract them to islaam.
    Dont scare people from mosques
    Niceness softness

    Our habeeb(saw) was good to children.Soft
     
  7. CHISHTI

    CHISHTI Well-Known Member

    Err...which scholar?
     
  8. ottoman

    ottoman Veteran

    taking kids to the mosque is makruh (according to İslamic scholar)
     

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