Diwan Muhammadi of Muhammad Yar Faridi with intro of As-Sayid Ahmad Sa'id Shah Kazimi

Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by abu nibras, Feb 2, 2008.

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  1. abu nibras

    abu nibras Staff Member

    poetry like this is not meant for everyone to read and should NOT be published for the masses.

    I understand that it uses the language of the sufiya and that one should have a good opinion of the author but printing it out for everyone out there is not a very good idea.

    kalam written in a hal of intoxication is often misunderstood without proper grounding in aqeeda.

    what follows is ignorant qawwals singing these very verses at the threhsold of maqams of awlia and everyone listening goes home with their own interpretation.

    was salam
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2008
  2. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    it would be useful to know the opinion of some of the other shuyukh regarding this.
     
  3. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    no, the site is blocked here.
     
  4. faqir

    faqir Veteran

  5. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    why is that i can't see the images?
     
  6. The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was the manifestation of Allah's Essence. [mazhar e dhaat e Khuda] whereas other prophets are manifestations of Allah's Sifaat [mazhar e sifaat e Khuda] and awliya manifestations of Allah's Actions [mazhar e afal e Khuda].
     
  7. i can see how a literalist would find that poem offensive but Allama Kazmi Shah sahib :ra:'s explanation is beautiful and makes sense-poetry is all about metaphor [majaz] but deobandits and their wahabist masters dont get it since they dont actually have a single wali amongst their ranks who has actually experienced such things as wahdat al wajood.
     
  8. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    poetry full of metaphor perhaps?
     
  9. tazkiyya2003

    tazkiyya2003 Active Member

    The very reason the wahhabis have suceeded in making the world an ugly place, is that they have lost the idea of God's universe being beautiful as a reflection of the names of Jamal.

    As the hadeeth goes...God is beautiful and he loves beauty

    God invites us to him through beauty.

    And traditional islamic art and architecture reflected this.

    The wahhabis have created cacophonies, and if architecture is "frozen music" then they have made monstrosities.
     
  10. tazkiyya2003

    tazkiyya2003 Active Member

    Lahori.
    You have misrepresented the viewpoint of the people of tasawuf.
    Have adl...even to those whom you hate

    Wahdat ul wujood believes that the universe is a theophany of the divine names and attributes.
    God is the light and the universe is the prism into which his light is reflected.

    And what we see is the reflection of different wavelengths of light.
    So we believe Muhammad(saw) is the most PERFECT mirror that reflects the light.
    BUt he is not the *LIGHT*
    When the mirror cracks, the light remains unaltered. The mirror is *not* the light
    BUT THIS is far removed from what the hindus say.
    The hindu avtaar belief is that God *becomes * a man. The light becomes the mirror

    Perhaps this is too sophisticated for your wahhabi masters to teach you and you end up refuting something without actually understanding what is being said. Alas , there is cure for ignorance but not stupidity
     
  11. Lahori12

    Lahori12 Guest

    For people not reading urdu

    Muhammad Yar Faridi has a poem saying that

    IF MUHAMMAD (YAR FARIDI) CONSIDERS MUHAMMAD (SAW) TO BE GOD (KHUDA) THEN HE IS MUSLIM AND NOT A FRAUDSTER

    And As-Sayid Ahmad Shah Kazimi defended this poem saying it is based on the creed of Wahdatul Wujud, which is not only for Prophets, but other than prophets as well, but other are Mazhar naqis, then Awliyah are better Mazhar, and then Prophets are best mazhar.

    Then Kazimi Sahib quoted from ibn 'Arabi, and also said that it is the creed of Deobandiyah Elders and quoted for this Anwar Shah Kashmiri's Faydh Al Bari

    He concluded that if Muhamamd Yar Faridi was a kafir, then also ibn "arabi and Deobandiyah

    And there are other poems saings that Ahad (Allah) came under veil of Meem becoming Ahmad, and other poems saying that Khda is known as Muhammad (saw)...Muhammad (saw) is Al-Hayu Al-Qayum...
     
  12. Lahori12

    Lahori12 Guest

    Salam aleykum

    Here are scanns of the book of Muhammad Yar Faridi, called Diwan Muhammadi

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    And when some Deobandi attacked some poems of this book, Ahmad Shah Kazimi refuted them, and his words are in the introduction of the book

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