Istiqbaliyah in honour of Hadrat 'Allamah Pir 'Ala ad-Din Sahib Siddiqi

What beliefs? What TV? What's the matter with you?

Other Mullas may be dying to go on tv, but I can assure you that Mufakkir-e-Islam has not once wished to go on any TV station, let alone Noor TV. This was never part of any discussion. I know some people close to the Shaikh who have gave me as many details of the sulha as possible (and nothing of what you say was part of it).

 

Total Rubbish !
When Peer Abdul Qadir holds the same beliefs as he had before how can this Itihad be Done ?
All Because of His Channel !
I rest my case

 

ST, what are you talking about. You words are nothing but fitna. Exactly as Hazrat Syed Riaz Shah Sahib said, "aaj dushmanon ke yahan maatam ki chaadar bichhi hai"

I don't know why you keep talking about Noor TV as there are no plans for any changes to their tv programmes or additions of any scholars. As for the Sunni Conference this Sunday, it will not be shown on Noor TV but will be live on DM Digital so what are you dreaming up?

Mufakkir-e-Islam Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani said it best when he said friendship is either munafiqana or mukhlisana, my sulah is purely mukhlisana and I have no bad feeling in my heart towards Pir Aluddin Siddiqui.

The newspapers are covering it all brilliantly.

I don't think it should stop here either and no one is stopping Syed Irfan Shah al-Mashaddi from joining the current unity of Ulama and Mashaikh that is so wonderful to see.

There was a brilliant gathering of unity in Peer Syed Munawwar Jamati Shah's Masjid and I have heard that it was very successful in uniting Sunnis.

 

What fertile imagination! To extend your hare-brained logic, the best way to bring reconciliation between ulemas is for everyone to open a channel of their own! With everyone in need of air-time, all differences will be buried and ittehaad will be the order of the day.

Let Allama Irfan Shah Mashhadi open a TV channel, let there be a ghamkhol channel etc. (I don't know a lot about the pir politics in UK, but you can use your own knowledge to extend this list). Opposing parties will then make peace in return for face-time on each others' TV. Let all warring parties channelise their energy into opening TV channels. Voila, sunnis will be living happily ever after (nevermind the proliferation of channels)!

Whoever thought TV was an evil medium out to corrupt muslims. If ST's proposal is adopted, we barelvis will never be a divided lot! Why nobody thought of this brilliant plan before ST is a wonder!

Differences between our ulemas is due to egos and stubbornness, not due to some furui/usuli issues. What makes this reconciliation significant is that reason prevailed over two parties(against all expectations).

 

Update

Video problems fixed.

 

I don't want to waste my time with you since you didn't answer the questions posed to you, such as Peer Abdul Qadir holds the same beliefs as he had before so how was the itihad done !
Peer Riaz Hussain has been comming to the UK Before this is not his first time, Ulema told him to resolve the Issue between Syed Irfan Shah and Peer Abdul Qadir years before this happened but nothing happened !
Zafar Mahmood Frashvi Sahib have been in the UK For a while and they never resolved the issue. Believe it or Not Because of Noor TV This has happened and thats it !

 

I don't intend to engage with you directly and waste my time, but I would definitely like to clarify for those in whose mind you may have been able to sow seeds of suspicion.

The reconciliation happened due to efforts of Allama Riaz Hussain Shah and Allama Zafar Mahmood Farashvi, among many others. What did these brokers of unity do this reconciliation for? Were they hired by Qibla Mufakkir-e-Islam or by Pir Alauddin Siddiqui? Did they get kickbacks from one of these parties?

Are you also insinuating that Pir Alauddin Siddiqui made peace with Qibla Mufakkir-e-Islam only to ensure that Noor TV's viewership base grows and so do the voluntary donations?

During the reconciliation Allama Riaz Hussain Shah apparently remarked that "aaj dushmanon ke yahan maatam ki chaadar bichhi hai" (or something to that effect). So apt.

Only ShayTan and his ilks sulk when two muslims unite. No wonder ST "ko bahut mirchi lagi"! And Wadood thinks ST is 'genuine'!

 

Sher Khan I hate such People and Such forums who abuse or talk bad about Imam Ghazali, Speak on The Iman of Amir e Muawiyyah and Hazrat Abu Sufyan, Abuse Sunni Scholars, It is people like you who are running there sites, what reconciliation is this, when Peer Abdul Qadir Jillani holds the same beliefs that Peer Auladdin was on about ?
Its because of Noor Tv these Molvis did Itihad otherwise never ever this Itihad would be done. Why aint Irfan Shah Sahib and Abdul Qadir Sahib itihad done ?
Why has it took years and still nothing?
Because he hasnt go a Tv Channel and no Camera Men !

 

as you wish.

 

Do you know ST personally? From where I am, I can only sense mischief in most things he says. He's "genuinely" interested in promoting factionalism (which I didn't know was a sunna). He "doesn't care for anything else" but his own faction. His method and madness is same as that of YN crowd, although he is in the other polar faction.

 

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The YN crew insulting Sunni scholars, attacking even the Habaib, is well documented. Its all in the archives. Check them out. No hope for the future with these juveniles.

Sunni Tehreek is a genuine person. He is concerned for the sunna of our Habeeb salAllaho alaihi wa alihi wa sallam. He does not care for anything else. Please recognize that.

 

i was not trying to insult the man i was making people aware of his stupid mistakes regarding aqeedah.

 

walthamstow allows tafzilis in its ranks.

If 'sulah kulliyat' is to be applied to deobandis/wahabis/ikhwanis and tariqa muhammadiya, it must be applied to tafzilis and dar uloom qadriya jilaniya as well.

 

If you do not feel joy at this sulah then something has to be wrong with you!

Everyone should rejoice and enjoy the occasion. With these two uniting in this manner, I think it is one of the greatest events in recent history for Sunnis in the UK. I have not felt so happy in a long time.

If anyone is upset then it can only be one who feels joy in ikhtilaf and fasaad. Sunni Tehreek, I have seen some of your older posts and all I can is that you should get out of all this politics and friction, I can promise that you will feel much more peace and joy in ittihad and unity. To hell with the bickering and friction. Be a part of the unity and ittifaq!

I salute the two esteemed buzurgs for their show of love that touched everyone, see it here: http://www.qadirijilani.com/10072009.html - I can't wait to see it on Noor TV!

No point re-digging older frictions to spoil the moment because when the Shaykhs have forgot about it, who is anyone else to keep a grudge in their heart?

All that is left now is for other Sunnis who are not united to come and unite. We are on a roll and must keep it going! That is when we can take on the fitna of the wahabis and deobandis in the best way.

Many people have said how they feel so proud to be Sunni (Barelwi) today!

SubhanAllah!

 

In that case, thanks for clarifying...still that doesn't absolve you of your attempts to insult Pir Siddiqui in the other thread. Your grouse may have been different but your actions were just as boorish and stupid.

I don't know if this reconciliation indeed created a 'history' but I do think this was significant in many respects:
(i) the reconciliation event prevented the rift between two 'sunni' camps from deepening and turning into a long-standing schism. The divide would have not only hurt the sunnis in UK in many ways, but would also have made 'barelvis' laughing stock among all muslims.
(ii) the reconciliation further highlighted that Markazi Jamaats can go beyond hosting events and can actually do something more concrete. I don't have an appreciation of history (of pir politics in UK/Pakistan), but the speed with which the two camps were reconciled is indeed very refreshing.
(iii) like it or not, events having clearly shown that the internet forums are a 'powerful' tool of fitna. Had we been living in old world, the crisis would probably never have come to pass.


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I don't believe for a moment that YN crowd has reformed; it is rotten at the very top. Yet there is no point rubbing in the fact that they have been made to look silly.

 

sheerkhan, full of rubbish, im not part of the YN team and not even on their forum thnx. if these pirs have reconciled i hope its for the better and that the pirs have corrected their mistakes.

 

ST at his favourite game! Not long back I made a comment that he was suited for a career in politicking in a masjid committee.

Why are people having heart-burns if two parties have reconciled? I didn't like the insults by YN crowd (aF, maulanx etc.), but if they have stopped insulting Pir Siddiqui now, why should one complain? That motley crowd may not have their head in the right place but if their heart has changed for better, why make an issue?

 

I would say Cheap People, the lang they used for him was shocking, but because they wanted to get time from Noor Tv they did all this, inviting him to the Marqazi Sunni Conference was because he would bring Noor Tv cameras with him. As it has never ever been relayed on Tv, the other Gamkol Shareef Sunni Conference has but not this one !

 

What 'historical reconciliation'? Was there ever a major fitna among Sunnis? When and Where? So, all of a sudden, Pir Alauddin became 'Shaikh-e-alam/HaDrat/Allama'

Just a few days ago, you and abu fadl were degrading him. very typical indeed. You YN crew are so predictable. Whose playing pir politics now?