Islamic doctrine in the light of scientific fact

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  1. muslim 1st Sunni 2nd

    muslim 1st Sunni 2nd Active Member

  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

  4. sidi i agree with you totally on spiritual matters or sayings which are definitely those of the Habib صلى الله عليه وسلم, of course and qati' verses of the koran.
     
  5. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    What Hawking says:

    Already?

    And, for once, he asks the right questions:
     
  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Brother did you read the comments at this link I'd posted in another thread ? It also deals with the flat-earth interpretation.


    I'll be glad to know your views on this.

    A question: aren't electric and magnetic forces interchangeable depending on the frame of reference? Or are their identities absolute in all cases?

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    The spiritual dilemma of Reinterpreting scriptures:

    Who were the people who understood the Book of Allah best ?

    What did the words of Quran speak to them ?

    What secrets were revealed to them ?

    " Ana Mnadinat-ul-Ilm wa A'liyyu Bab-u-ha "

    When Gauth-e-Azam saw the universe in his palm did he see the earth rotating or fixed ?

    In a hadith of Muslim : The Holy Prophet ( May He be whelmed in Peace) narrated to His companions 'Maa Kaana Wa Maa Yakuun'.

    Many, if not all, mufassirs were Great Awliya and for a Mu'min the Prophet has said: He sees by Allah's noor!

    So how can such a HUGE number of MEN OF GOD be completely in the dark about the ACTUAL meanings of the SIGNS OF GOD ?

    In cases where multiple interpretations are possible, how can they be CONTRADICTORY ?

    While scientists have had to revise or completely abandon their theories countless number of times in the past 5 centuries, I do not know of a single 'revision' of Islamic Doctrine in the past 14 centuries. How can such flimsy knowledge be trusted above the exact and certain knowledge of Islam?

    food for thought:

    A companion once sought guidance from the Holy Prophet (peace be upon Him) for his brother who was suffering from stomach-ache. He (peace be upon Him) advised him to take honey as medication. Next day the companion came back with the same complaint and was again given the same advice. On the third day when he repeated the complaint He (peace be upon Him) said, "By God, I speak the truth but the belly of your brother lies, tell him to take honey". Next day his brother was cured !

    (I do not know the authenticity of this hadith but have heard it often.)

    wassalaam.
     
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  7. ah
    some brothers on another forum
     
  8. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    The rotating motion of the earth is relative, its not absolute, otherwise we would have the existence of an absolute frame of reference
     
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    who said this?
     
  10. yes but that doesnt mean the earth is not rotating absolutely on its axis.
     
  11. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Sidi NJ, the earth does rotate on its axis, in our frame of reference, which is stationary. If we were rotating at the earth's speed, then by the principle of relativity, the earth would appear stationary, and the sun rotating instead.
     
  12. ok i can accept that biological evolution is still not at the level of evidential proof as some things in physics but it saddens me to see intelligent sunni brothers convinced the earth does not rotate on its axis when a simple demonstration of foucault's pendulum shows otherwise. Even in the age where we have countless videos of other planetary bodies rotating and videos of our own Earth rotating:

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070514.html

    (If you argue this video was doctored by Nasa I will not reply!)
     
  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    anthony flew eventually changed his mind and apparently, he was not satisfied by the explanation that such complex DNA could have arisen from dead matter.

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  14. sunnistudent

    sunnistudent Veteran

  15. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    yes, I would also like to know the names of these classical tafasir?
     
  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    you got any names in mind or is this just based on hearsay?
     
  17. azizq

    azizq Well-Known Member

    www.evolutionnews.org
    www.bio-complexity.org

    Heres a blog that critiques many aspects of evolution. They are proponents of the intelligent design theory, so some of their ideas are contary to our aqidah. Like for example they say there is a higher authority that created this universe, be it a god or aliens, audhubillah - although opponents claim them just to be closet Christian creationists. However on the most part they are good in keeping up to date with evolutionists acrobatics and do actually take them on scientifically rather than religously. Watch out for the works of Douglas Axe and Stephen Meyer. The former actaully wrote a book lately called 'signature in the cell', apparently the best criticism of darwins theory to date.

    The second website is a new initiative as I recall it to scientifically prove/test the theory of Intelligent design by peer reviewed articles.

    Theres many debates of Stephen Meyer on youtube etc and he does win over his opponents quite convinvingly.
     
  18. abu hasan,

    thanks for an interesting post. thinking aloud, we know that Allah is Exalted and Omnipotent (has power over all possible things) but I do not see why it would be forbidden from a classical Sunni aqidah point of view to believe that He - azza wa jalla - created the Universe via the scientific laws which He set into motion and which He creates. Included in this would be the laws of evolution for life on Earth.

    About Hazrat Adam and Hazrat Hawwa (Eva) being the first and second humans, perhaps it means they were the first humans of the current type i.e. homo sapien sapiens and the other hominids whose bones are found e.g. cro magnon man, etc., are not insaan as we know them?

    Thirdly how do we explain away the genetic evidence for evolution which has come to light since the decoding of the human genome (the similarity in DNA between humans and all other species, as evolution predicted, which points towards some common ancient ancestor of all modern species.)*

    * fallacy: modern evolutionists don't believe man descended from apes rather that both modern humans and apes all share a common ancestor which was neither human nor ape in the modern sense.
     
  19. SS,
    thanks for the links.

    as i am not a biologist i am currently reading about the theory of evolution and the evidence presented. as examples of scientific fact we know for a fact the earth is not flat so it would be silly of us to cling to classical mediaeval tafsirs which state so. or that the earth is not stationary. the only alternative is therefore to reinterpret the quranic verses/ahadeeth mubaarak so that they do not contradict such facts.
     

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