So Hussam ul Haramain is the litmus test then? The principles behind it apply now and applied centuries before A'la Hazrat (rehmatul'lahi alay) was born. Its not about the individuals but the belief expressed by the Deobandis/wahhabis.
would you apply the same to mirza of qadiyan? if yes, then why would you and if no then why would you not?
So Hussam ul Haramain is the litmus test then? if you agree with it you have correct beliefs. If you choose to disagree you have incorrect beliefs. If you choose not to comment on it you also have incorrect beleifs. You may have correct beliefs about the Allah, Prophets, Angels, Books, Day of judgement, Destiny, respect and love Our Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam as the best of creations but if you do not pass any comment on Hussam ul Haramain you are misguided??? Since when did holding opinion about other individuals living 100 years ago form part of our belief system?
Alahazrat Allah be pleased with him IS our helper. Anyone who knowingly defends/protects/gives refuge/or speaks good of the shaytan who insulted our Prophet SalAllahu alayhi wa alihi wa sallam is a shaytan himself
Alahazrat Allah be pleased with him, was our helper, who made us understand our aslaf, at least in the SubContinent. I understand why SubContinental Sunnis feel so strongly that a signed letter of endorsement on the 4 deobandi wahabis from senior scholars is important in this age of fitnah for being accepted as a Sunni. I can understand this from the point of view of the great mischief that dobbies have spread in the villages and cities along the length and breadth of the SubContinent. We must make it clear to everybody, that the fatawa are on the principle of all the Sunni authorities, Imams of our Supreme Deen. It is the Aqeeda of the SaHaba and the Aqeeda that Prophet SalAllahu alayhi wa alihi wa sallam taught us. There is nothing in them that contradicts the Sunni Way. That is why 300 scholars across [vast majority of the madaris] India signed them, and all scholars outside to whom the fatawa were presented. Therefore, if one signs an endorsement of them, it will only make Sunnis stronger. If one disagrees with them, then essentially one disagrees with Sunni Aqeeda.
JazakAllah brother ST for the clarifications. May Allah protect all U'lama of Ahl alSunna waljama'at.
First of all I want to make it very clear with you Brothers over here that Sunnitalk is not Muffakire-e-Islam Peer Sayyid Irfan Shah Sahib's official website. Qibla Shah Sahib's offical website is www.haqchaaryaar.net so if anyone wants any future clarifications please refer to Qibla Shah Sahib's official website or personally contact them. Anyhow we have contacted Shah Sahib regarding this gathering where Ahmad Dabbagh was present, Shah Sahib have clearly said they have received a letter from Jamaat e Ahlesunnat UK written and signed by Ahmad Dabbagh himself including Moulana Sardar Ahmad Sahib and Allama Rabbani Afghani Sahib. In this letter Ahmad Dabbagh has signed and agreed with what Alahazrat Ra have wrote. Shah Sahib have said that when he has agreed with Hussam ul Haramain and the Fatwas on Deobandi Imams by Alahazrat, I cannot understand what is the problem left behind? As for the conversations after, Ulema who spoke to Ahmad Dabbagh, Shah Sahib have said they are not really aware of what happened after, and if anyone has anything they should show them or let them know. As for the 3 hour video online, I personally (SunniTehreek) think it doesn't mean much because he has signed on that piece of paper agreeing with Hussam ul Haramain and has done Ruju After that conversation with the Ulema present. Also just to let you know Shah Sahib have not seen that 3 hour video. Shah Sahib have a very busy schedule, I don't think they have time to sit online. As for Dr Tahir ul Qadri Sahib, he has not signed confirming that he agrees with the Fatwas Alahazrat RA put on the Deobandi Imams in Hussam ul Haramain. Shah Sahib's view is that how can we speak against a person who doesn't agree with Hussam ul Haramain and then how can we also on the other hand speak against a person who agrees with Hussam ul Haramain, signs it and agrees that the Deobandi Imams were non muslims? If one person signs and agrees with Hussam ul Haramain and then in the background he doesn't change his real beliefs Shah Sahib cannot be held responsible for his actions. Also a few Brothers are referring to a Blessed Arab Shaykh and saying that Shah Sahib spoke out against the Arab Shaykh when he mentioned Thanwi before knowning about him. This is very wrong and incorrect, I suggest in future people contact Shah Sahib themselves before they promote incorrect information on their behalf, all that happened was that the Arab Shaykh mentioned Thanwi and said Rehmatullahi Alahi, afterwards Shah Sahib had a quite word with the Shaykh and informed the Shaykh about Thanwis deviant beliefs, upon this the Shaykh said he isn't aware. Shah Sahib sent the Arab Shaykh one Arabic Book exposing the Deobandi Imams, after this Alhumdulillah the Shaykh has never said such a thing again. As far as I am aware Shah Sahib has nothing against the Blessed Arab Shaykh. Shah Sahib was asked about this particular Arab Shaykh, Shah Sahib said he doesn't know much about the Arab Sunni Scholars. They said if you notice anything you should give them the relevant material because most of them are not usually aware. So I request you Brothers, that there is no need to take things out of context. Finally I request you Brothers here that if any of you have any useful material on the Ahmad Dabbagh issue provide this personally to Shah Sahib yourself, their is no point bringing it up on the net. Jazak Allah
There is no need contacting anyone. Do you contact the Habaib each time they do a conference with someone dodgy? Or did you contact Allama Rasul Bakhsh Sai'di when he had Faraz Rabbani down FR? Or when his Jama'at invited Ahmed Hassoun down to 'Sunni' conference? Or did you contact Shaykh Ya'qoubi when he attended GPU? Or when sacredknowledge said on sunniforum that he respects Deobandi Muhadithin? Or recently when they conveyed salam to the deviant deenport site who are more worried about Usama Hasan? They are responding back more to the Wahabis and Monkeys!!! So why treat Sayyid Irfan Shah hafidhahuAllah differently? There is no need of any clarification as Shah Sahib is very clear on deviants. He doesn't call for unity with Shia Zaydis or Ja'faris, or Whabis, Deobandis and Nadwis. So he has made himself clear. In the same way Shaykh Ya'qoubi is also clear in his speeches and his interview (even though the interview is not on sacredknowledge wbsite?). Both Sayyids are clear on their Aquida. Even Sayyid Habib Ali has a video against Wahabis!!
It could possibly be, but we need shah sahib to clear this up, as the enemies of shah sahib will definately use this against him.
I have husn aldhann of Sayyid Irfan Shah. Some people called Faraz Rabbani and we had husn aldhann of them Some people have attended worse conferences like GPU and we keep husn aldhann of them. Irfan Shah has done more work than anyone in UK in refuting deviants like Rawafid and Wahabis so it is obligatory of havig good dhann of him also. Some people have done more s things and we have stayed silent on them In reality this is nothing. The clip maybe out of context, which is themost likely scenario.
Spot on Kattar! Sayyid Irfan Shah needs to be contacted and asked what this is all about! It seems a bit weird as he is sat with Wahid and swears at Tahir ul Qadri.... very strange Even more stranger is Wahid was justifying the filthy ibarats and the arab Shaykh was not doing that
The video gives the false impression that Ahmad Dabbagh was main guest in these gatherings. The reality is that he was on of the many guest invited in a host of gatherings. Maqsud Qadri has bottled coming out about Dabbagh as he has been threatened. But sunnitalk has the video. Pir Sayyid Irfan Shah knows all there is to know about Dabbagh. If Pir Irfan Shah is weary of Arab U'lama even though they have mentioned A'la Hadrat as mujaddid then why is he not wary of Dabbagh? Dabbagh is a graduate of Dar ul U'um Bury and a student of Khalid Mahmud. He also praised Thanawi, Gangohi and Nanotwi when he knew about the I'barat. He has also lied now by saying he has not praised the Deobandi akabir and he is not a student of Khalid Mahmud. So why is Sayyid Irfan Shah refusing to sit with some Shayukh because they mentioned Thanawi, before knowing of Deobandi Ibarat, but has invited Ahmed Dabbagh to do a speech?? Is this racial bias of Arab U'lama?????????
Check this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll23unFrVS0 Can this man be trusted??? The Bolton video in full is even more disturbing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3txlSAqD96w&feature=player_embedded#at=746 Check the Ulema he is sat with including Sayyid Irfan Shah, the Ulema of Jamia Nizamia. It's high time the Sunnitalk team released Wahid justifying the ibarats of Deoband when debating Maulana Ayub Ashrafi and Maulana Maqsood Qadri of Bolton
