What is Wahdathul Wujood?

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  1. sag e raza

    sag e raza Active Member

    Pir Mehr ali Shah's verses on Wahdat al-Wajood

    21. Ay surat hai bai-surat theen
    22. Baisurat zahir surat theen
    23. Bairang dissay is surat theen
    24. Vich vahdat puThiyaan jad ghariyaan
    25. Dassay surat raah Baisurat da
    26. Tauba, raah kii, ‘ain Haqiqat da!
    27. Par kam nahin baisoojhat da
    28. Koi virliyaan moti lay tariyaan

    21. This face is really from the Faceless One ;
    22. The Faceless One manifests through this face.
    23. The Formless One has been seen through this face
    24. Ever since Unity blossomed into
    25. Diversity. This face shows the way to the
    26. Faceless. Nay, not the way, the Essence too!
    27. Yet this secret is not for the common;
    28. Just the Elect may discover this pearl!

    kindly and wonderfully translated by brother NJ
     
  2. sag e raza

    sag e raza Active Member

    care to back up your claim?
     
  3. Komal Ansari

    Komal Ansari New Member

    wahdathul wujood is nothing but a philosophy contradicting to Islam.There are lot of Muslims who understand Allah's names and attributes. Allhamdullilah may Allah give us all understanding of this religion "Islam".
     
  4. Sag e Raza brother,
    Thank you for linking to that beautiful article at the alahazrat site. That is the image and respect and devotion to Sayyidina Hallaj which I have grown up with and heard expressed in Sunni mehfils and in numerous poems by great Sufis who have come after him from the Subcontinent and especially in the Punjab like Hazrat Waris Shah etc.
    I think that human beings are naturally drawn towards the extraordinary and this is why in the popular Sunni imagination the likes of Hallaj and Ibn Arabi and Shabaz Qalandar etc remain so powerful. It is also why Imam Hussain :as: is remembered a lot more than Imam Hassan :as: although of course we adore and respect both princes.
    Those who give their lives for a cause are always remembered. (even in the case of the kuffaar eg Thermopylae).
     
  5. sag e raza

    sag e raza Active Member

  6. sag e raza

    sag e raza Active Member

    didn't ghaus e azam say that if I were living in the time of al-Hallaj, i would have stopped him from reaching Jazb? doesnt this prove he was a majzoob and his words were not his own?
     
  7. RadiatingAli786

    RadiatingAli786 New Member

    Wahdat Ul Wajood is simply:

    Allah's (subhana wa ta'ala) existence is haqiqi (Literal) and what he has created is majaazi (allegorical).

    wahdatul shahood:

    is that a wali-ullah sees Allah through everything, the worldly, material objects do not obstract his vision, he sees Allah subhana wa ta'ala every where. To him world is transparent like a window glass its exits but it does not obstract the vision.
     
  8. ottoman

    ottoman Veteran

    Mawlânâ Shâh Abdul’azîz (1239 [1824 A.D.]), a son of Shâh Ahmad Waliyyullah (1179), ‘rahimahumullâhu ta’âlâ’, observes as follows: Wahdat-i-wujûd deteriorated into various anomalies among the common people. Misunderstanding the words of the great, the ignorant deviated from Islam in the process of time. The highly esoteric and valuable science (,i.e. Wahdat-i-wujûd,) became a demolisher of Islam, and a source of heresy for the shaikhs of Tekke, whose aberrant paths spread among the ignorant populace. [The comatose trends buttered the bread of the enemies of Islam. Representing some irreligious and immoral people as poets of Tasawwuf, they designed school curricula containing their irreligious words, thus having the younger generations read them in the name of poetry.] Allâhu ta’âlâ, with His infinite compassion for His slaves, created a great mujaddid, Imâm Rabbânî ‘radiy-Allâhu ’anh’. He blessed him with profound knowledge. Through him, He purified the minds of His slaves, separated right from wrong, and cleansed many a heart from heresy.

    These magnificent accomplishments incurred the spite of some people and a torrent of persecutions, arrows and vilifications followed. The jealousies were even aggravated when, one by one, scholars and other virtuous and mature people left their paths and guides and hastened to join the disciples of the Imâm (Rabbânî) and to serve him. Conspiracies were resorted to for the purpose of exposing the Imâm to danger. For instance, they provoked the ignorant folk by spreading the lie that he abhorred the great Islamic shaikhs such as Junayd-i-Baghdâdî. They began to estrange the short-sighted people from the imâm by alleging that he denied the Wahdat-i-wujûd which was a science for spiritual improvement established by the great shaikhs of Islam. They tried to antagonize his admirers by asserting that he denied the Meshâikh-i-izâm and boasted of having attained the ma’rifat of Allâhu ta’âlâ directly without a guide. The defamations culminated when they finally tried to besmear him with the political felony of insubordination against the government and contempt for the laws and, into the bargain, many another libel which a Muslim could never commit against another.
     
  9. mwasim2011

    mwasim2011 New Member

    JazakAllah brother. that article link I will read inshaAllah.

    Thank you brothers for clearing up this issue.
     
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    You are right brother, that's my mistake.
     
  11. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    this booklet is by Allamah Sayyid Kazmi Sahib is it not? I think that with Sayyid Kazmi Sahib's booklet you need to understand certain terms prior to reading it.
     
  12. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Salam Alaikum

    To the OP:

    Simple simple explanation for the layman for Imam Mansur Al-Hallaj's declaration of "Ana Al-Haqq" - "I am annihilated. Haqq (His rememberance) is all that remains." (This explanation was given by one of my teachers)

    As for Wahdatul Wujood - by far the simplest and best explanation I have seen is in Siraj Al-Awarif in the English translation. http://www.barkati.net/books/awarif/p1.htm

    With much respect to Hashimi Miyan, and this is my own ineptitude, I have read his "Wahdatul Wujood kya hai" in Urdu, but I found myself groping in the dark after it, as opposed to the succint explanation given in Siraj Al-Awarif - eventhough it is meant to be a simple explanation to common people. You can find the booklet on alahazratnetwork.org

    As brother Suleiman and others have said, it is useless for commoners like us to be reading books of tasawwuf without a firm grounding in basic 3aqidah and without the presence of a teacher of tasawwuf.

    As for wahabis and their takfir, ignore them.
     
  13. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    extracted from Shaykh Abdul Hadi's translation of the Malfuz:

     
  14. ala hazrat and hallaj/ibn e arabi

    i remember once browsing through the malfuzat sharif of ala hazrat and reading something about hallaj's :ra: statement, 'ana'l Haqq' and some other questions which dealt with him too.

    if anyone like abu hasan or brother qasim ridwi or aqdas can find the relevant
    passages and post them on here it will be greatly beneficial. (i too will look for them.)
     
  15. sidi suleiman,
    you misunderstand me. i agree with the generality of your post. i didnt say or mean that one's iman should depend on the salvation of hazrat hallaj. as for the love of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم -- that IS the core and heart of islam; nay, rather it is islam itself. The Messenger is the Limitless Ocean and the awliya are like streams connected to this Ocean. My comment about Hallaj was meant in the sense that when one's imaan is attacked one can draw strength from the very existence of saints like Hallaj :ra: who was so lost in the love of Allah that he went to the gallows with a smile on his face...
    (the fact that Hazrat Junayd is one of those who signed his death warrant does not change my point.)

    rather i am saying that ignore the mad rantings of the salafis about people whose states they cannot begin to comprehend. (nor can we but at least we love and respect them). As the saying goes,
    "wali ra wali daanad".
    ([Only] a wali knows a wali)
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2011
  16. mwasim2011

    mwasim2011 New Member

    thanks brother, this has defo shed some more light on this.
     
  17. Ground yourself in ash'ari 'aqidah before you drown yourself in the musannafat of shaykh al-akbar. One of the 'Aydarus Haba'ib (perhaps 'aydarus al-akbar), I believe, never ever beat his son ever, besides on once occasion when he caught his son studying a manuscript of shaykh al-akbar. the haba'ib discourage laymen from persuing his works, yet they quote from the imam themselves in their own books. this is but one perspective.

    as for mansur al-hallaj, we leave his state to Allah. wasn't it sayyid at-ta'ifah imam an-junayd who backed the execution? we judge by the outer, and leave the inner to Allah.

    and why would one's iman depend on the salvation of al-hallaj? how absurd. why don't you replace that place in your heart for the messenger of Allah sallaLlahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam.

    abu hasan - you're input would be welcomes; i'm sure i'm not alone with these views.

    was-salam
     
  18. mwasim2011

    mwasim2011 New Member

    so you are saying, the concept of wahdathul wajood is not for laymen like us?
     

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