indeed, it is. it slipped my notice, else it would have been deleted as well. but now, it appears too late to do anything about it. ---- there is a REPORT feature for posts. people can report their problem with the post, and please, don't just send it to us hoping we can read your mind. tell us what exactly you find offensive about the post. if your REPORT is blank dashes (because you have to write something in the modal window), we will ignore those reports. learn to read first, i have said it already. and after you log on, make sure you read properly before launching a tirade.
Ok bro, duly noted: 1. I did not intend to a) make the sister feel alienated or b) breach the boundaries of formal forum discussion by making my questioning her into a private conversation. 2. I am possibly guilty of misreading Br. Abdul Qadir's attempt to maintain forum guidelines by suggesting that a seperate section be constructed for Sisters in order to avoid fitna, which we all perhaps think we are immune to but on a platform such as this perhaps it is wise to do so. For that I apologise, equally, it probably would have been better of me to not censure his comment about what women discuss publicly. 3. On the internet, my reaction to him probably actually does constitute bullying in the dictionary of some, whereas perhaps it would not if we were casual acquaintances speaking person to person in 'real life'. 4. People should try to meditate for about at least ten minutes before they log on to Sunniport, and also there should be some forum fiqh written for newcomers, ijtihad has probably already taken place on it but most likely it has not been codified and canonised yet, so that is also pending. I certainly do not hesitate to apologise to any members of this important and rapidly crumbling online community to whom I may have caused offence and I would be chuffed to see it grow and develop scholarship and academic discussion, with Sufism thrown in as well.
I've read the post of mine you deleted and found nothing offensive. What exactly was of the mark you haven't even clarified or outlined. Please do so. Also, Uwaysi I didn't say you offended the sister. I was referring to Abdul qadir. You misunderstood my comment akh Abu hassan, maybe straw man argument is something new you just learnt about and like to always apply the term. But hitherto you haven't still provided an example from any of my 100 posts of such. So claim what you like. As long as you can prove it also! Uwaysi said: EDITED QUOTED COMMENT: [ksjdflksjdflkjsdklfjslkdjflksdjfklsdjflksjflksdjflksjdflkjsdfkjsdfjsdkfj] Now, if my comments are offensive, then that is alo offensive by all means.
i don't have the time to waste on someone who doesn't know the meaning of "strawman argument", makes them by the cartloads, and demands that i prove that his argument is flawed. i am sorry, if you find me lacking - but here is my assessment: you lack reading and comprehension skills, and your logic is terrible. i deleted your post because of your imaginary reasons (imaginary until proven otherwise; i have sent you your post in a private message - read it and mull over it) attacking the brother and saying things which are uncomfortable for everyone. looks like you have never entered subtlety garden - even by mistake. read your post (now deleted, but sent to you in your private conversation) and check yourself whether you can provide evidence in a court of law, for your claims - if you cannot, it is just YOUR opinion and not very nice at that. perhaps it will help if one reads tafsir of surah Hujurat. wa billahi't tawfiq. doesn't mean that you have to revile another. this is your problem. you have a right to object, does not directly translate to "he is obliged to answer." rather, you go one step forward and you want us to accept your viewpoint. that is childish. and that is the argument you don't understand. it is not possible to force another person (unless you are a dictator) to accept your opinion, if they don't want to - regardless of your being in the right. if it was that easy (or norm) the world would be an easier place to live. Allah ta'ala knows best.
Abu hassan, brother, I'm sorry if you felt that I think I owe you. But that's not the case. You mention we have right to object to you but you still haven't provided any irrational statement said/written by me so far on sunniport in our other thread on why online forums are a waste of time. I'm still expecting a reply bradar? As for asking you why you deleted my post. There's nothing wrong in asking. And the reason why it's bothered me is because this Uwaysi character is clearly himself doing something that he's accusing Abdul qadir of. That's all I pointed out. Dear sister, I'm really sorry for turning this into argumentative discourse but if you read the posts from the beginning I was merely trying to act as a referee between Uwaysi bullying (and diverting) the relevancy of your question by having a go at Abdul qadir. Why the admins couldn't deal with this to begin with is- as abu hassan would have it- their own business; not mine. I can understand abu hassans passion in retorting at many instances of criticism because he must have encountered many a clown. But that's no excuse if you're the admin
meanwhile to bring back the thread, yuN qatl se bach'choN ke woh badnaam na hota afsos ke fir'awn ko college ki na soojhi --- pharoah killed babies fearing that one of them will grow up and cause his destruction. apparently, such a child would be religious. the poet says: children are becoming increasingly irreligious, and becoming religion-free after going to college. suppose pharoah started a college, he would end up with irreligious or atheist grads. and, an irreligious college-grad would not bother if pharoah claimed to be god or not, as religion was effectively removed from the equation. so he didn't have to earn the notoriety by killing babies. he wouldn't be thus notorious for killing babies, alas; the pharaoh didn't think of starting a college.
Sister, what is your position in SA, and also, do you have any examples of other trends? I.e. kids who go to these Islamic schools, are not self taught, but still retain Sunni Aqida? Because it just seems that there is a bit of laziness here that is causing the downward trend you describe.
Jee I'm from SA , here we have islamic schools where they teach both secular and islamic studies . The thing is parents don't realise the differences that exist all they look at is that it's a good school and tbh the sunni schools here are really lacking so parents turn to theses other schools .we don't have the culture of being self taught .I speak from personal experience and I see many other parents doing the same without realising the damaging effects . Brother Aqdas I didn't understand your comment unfortunately my Urdu is not very good
Do you live in South Africa sister? Also, are the parents sending their children to Madrasa to learn Quran or to learn Islamic Studies, and if it is Islamic Studies, do they not possess any literature at home which could be used? Also, if these parents really are 'proper Sunni', why do they not restrict where their children gain information from? I know that my generation of Sunnis who grew up in the West went to ordinary schools and retained Sunni aqida just from websites and articles, so whats up with modern parents whose children are too good for books and websites and need to go straight to Madrasa for everything?
I don't know if this is something that is happening internationally or just in South Africa but I have noticed a increasing trend of proper sunni parents sending their children to deobandi influenced schools and still expecting the child to have the same Aqeedah as them but the sad thing is that we have more children who regard their parents as being deviants and some go to extent of labeling them as kafir. What is the solution to this , we losing the coming generation.
