Eid e Ghadir is not marked by Sunnis for the same reason Christmas isn't. Do we believe in Isa عليه السلام? We do. We believe he was born? Yes. So why don't we celebrate Christmas? Because it's a Christian festival that affirms THEIR FALSE belief that he is divine. Do we believe in Mawla Ali رضي الله عنه? We do. We believe that RasulAllah ﷺ said 'man kuntu mawla'? Yes. So why don't we celebrate Eid e Ghadir? Because it's a shiah thing that affirms THEIR FALSE belief that he is the first caliph. By marking it, we would only be supporting the shiah narrative and their concocted interpretation of 'man kuntu mawla'. Shiah celebrate Eid e Ghadir to say that Mawla Ali should have been the first caliph and also to show happiness at the martyrdom of our master Uthman رضي الله عنه. No Sunni should have anything whatsoever to do with it.
great, and also maybe you can touch on nabeel's cited hadith which has the part re Hazrat Umar greeting Hazrat Ali on this occasion, radi Allahu 3anhuma.
i am reminded of the hadith: “Indeed, one of you will do deeds that are deeds of the dwellers of Paradise, and will keep doing them until they are so close to it that the distance between them is only but an arm’s length, but the Written [kitāb] will take over and they will start doing deeds of the people of Hell and then enter it. Indeed one of you will do deeds of the dwellers of Hell, and will be doing so until they are so close to it that the distance bwteen them is only but an arm’s length, but the Written [kitāb] will take over and they will start doing acts of the people of Paradise and then enter it.” nas'alu ALlah al-aafiyah. === the hadith, "man kuntu mawlahu fa `aliyyun mawlahu" is a mutawatir hadith. zabidi mentions that it is narrated by 21 companions. scholars have argued about its authenticity. some have said that in spite of multiple routes, it barely reaches the grade of Hasan; but generally, it is considered as a SaHiH hadith. dhahabi examined various chains and rated them as SaHiH. even albani considers this as a SaHiH narration. in some narrations there are spurious additions, which hadith masters have pointed out as obvious forgeries - but the above statement is narrated through SaHiH chains. in sha'Allah another thread to examine what it means. wa billahi't tawfiq.
i'm at work, and got this from some googling, from Imam Ahmad's Musnad and his Fadail Al-Sahabah Musnad - https://al-maktaba.org/book/25794/15012 Fadail - https://al-maktaba.org/book/13136/1020 need to see commentary and implications of the mentioned Hadith. if Ala Hazrat has a commentary on the specific hadith, it will be great, because it will probably be available in Urdu too and will be inclusive of refutations of badmazhabs. if someone knows, please advise
I am not on Facebook so can't access the link. If this is the case then Is Nabeel going to admit he had a Nasabi mentality previously
Nabeel was against it. Listen to this. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10165160813700648&id=728350647
@Aqdas I would even go further and say a couple of years ago Nabeel and co would not have been in favour of such conferences. What's changed?
In last 30 years, when has Irfan Shah held a conference Jashne Wilayat e Mawla Ali? Why now? Secondly, Sayyiduna Umar رضي الله عنه didn't congratulate. The narrator is shiah.
@AbdalQadir You are right about confusing people and muddying the waters because he prefaces this talk by stating that this is linked to 'creedal/docrtinal' issues.
He mentioned the narration in the Musnad of Imam Ahmad in the chapter of Gadeer. Syeduna Umar was the first to congratulate Syeduna Ali and from this Nabeel and co justify their commemoration of Eid ul Gadeer.
what are tahir's daleels from the 1001 books that he has supposedly published? what have the Sunni shuyukh responded to tahir? i've only recently been made aware of this topic of minhajis and tafdilis celebrating this day
do we have any references for this from Sunni sources? did nabeel provide any? if Sayyiduna Umar was the first to celebrate it, radi Allahu 3anhu, it shouldn't be too hard to locate Sunni shuyukh too who celebrated it or endorsed it. actually the shias too mention Wilayah (see the random tweets i linked) we could get into discussions on "Wilayah" but that will open up subjective topics of spirituality which are quite relative and contextual, which is what these guys want so that they can confuse people and project those discussions onto very crisp and objective matter of Aqidah push their rafidi agenda. let's first see what the Sunni shuyukh of uk respond to these guys (if at all they do) and take it from there...
It seems like Sh Nabeel wants to promote the same beliefs as the likes of Dr Tahir ul Qadri about Syeduna Ali bring the Spiritual khalifah/successor to the holy prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)
I watched Sh Nabeel's short speech yesterday in the conference that is mentioned in an earlier post. Apart from calling many Sunnis as Nasabis, he justified the commemoration of Eid ul gadeer because Syeduna Umar was the first to celebrate it. He distinguished between the Sunni perspective and Shia by saying that the latter say Gadeer refers to the announcement of Syeduna Ali's khilafah whereas Sunnis view it as the announcement of Syeduna Ali's Wilayah.
the same rafidi festival jashne wilayat is just another way to say the same thing - ghadeer khumm. And the King is crowned today❤️👑Congratulations to all the momineen on the auspicious occasion of Ghadeer, the day when Prophet Muhammadص declared Imam Ali ع as his successor and Allah swt blessed us with wilayat of Imam Ali ع❤️#من_کنت_مولاؑ_فھٰذا_علی_مولاؑ #عيد_الغدير pic.twitter.com/JeOwmowLuf— Aftab Bhatti (PPP) (@AftabBhattiPP) July 28, 2021 1420493382422601732 is not a valid tweet id "To accept the wilayah of Imam Aliع is the same as the angels accepting the command of God & bowing in front of AdamعAs for the one who refused the wilayah of Imam Aliع of the Day of Ghadir is like Shaitan who refused to bow in front of Adamع. -Imam Ali Razaع#عيد_الغدير مبارک pic.twitter.com/IdgGzfDCrt— Syed Haider Mehdi (@SHaiderMehdi14) July 28, 2021 And the King is crowned today❤️👑Congratulations to all the momineen on the auspicious occasion of Ghadeer, the day when Prophet Muhammadص declared Imam Ali ع as his successor and Allah swt blessed us with wilayat of Imam Ali ع❤️#من_کنت_مولاؑ_فھٰذا_علی_مولاؑ #عيد_الغدير pic.twitter.com/G1oFPqVLRk— R.A💁🏻♀️🖤 (@ridz_a1) July 28, 2021 so basically these guys on that poster, led by jamati and iran shah are all certifying themselves as open rawafid
no bro, i just got a pre-emptive warning on whatsapp saying that minhaji juhhal and closet rafidis have also started celebrating the ghadeer khumm and to keep an eye out. so i posted here. i was having a hunch and sure enough as per what brother @Aqdas posted, iran shah and his puppetmaster munawwar jamati are also into spreading this shia thing fyi, afaik, this is the night the rawafid in their alleged joy, conduct candlelight vigil mass mut3ahs. there are rawafid who call this fiction and libel by Sunnis but this thing is known with near tawatur all over the Sunni world regardless of language or ethnicity. i suspect mut3ah (on ghadeer or otherwise) is the next stop for these closet rawafid. just wait another 3-5 yrs