Misplaced priorities?

Discussion in 'Bickering' started by Tolu Miyan, Jan 27, 2023.

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  1. Tolu Miyan

    Tolu Miyan New Member

    Kudos to Shaykh Asrar, he has just posted a clip on tafdhil on instagram
     

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  2. Ibn Rida Safdar

    Ibn Rida Safdar New Member

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  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Nice how he hops from that topic to this. He seems to be a disgruntled youth and/or someone who isn't too fond of Shahid Ali.

    Mufti Muneeb's teacher said it well.

    Allamah Ghulām Rasūl Sa'īdī writes in his Tibyān al-Qur'ān:

    'It can said: in terms of religion, we are Muslim. We are Muhammadi in terms of sharīáh, Māturīdī and Hanafī in madh'hab (school of jurisprudence), Qādirī in maslak (path) and mashrab (spirituality) and we are Baraylawi in terms of maktab e fikr (school of thought).'

    [Tibyān al-Qur'ān, Surah Fatihah, v.4]
     
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  4. Hassan_0123

    Hassan_0123 HhhhhhhM_786

    This is a good tweet by him too

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  5. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    As for Urdu ulama, Qari Tayyib has penned a 7 volume commentary of the Quran and commentaries to sihah in Arabic.

    Mawlana Sabir has translated classical works like al-Targhib wa'l Tarhib

    Mawlana Sadiq Zia has two or three sons who are ulama and involved in publishing Arabic works.

    So the team dealing with Irfan Shah is pretty active in their own areas.

    Mufti Aslam is a senior mudarris and author.

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    Atheism is a problem for those who understand English in the UK.

    That leaves Shahid Ali and the two Naveeds.

    Let's say we have 100 English speaking Sunni speakers. If 3 of them have worked on afzaliyyat, even if disproportionately, that leaves 97. It would've been fairer to question those 97.

    These 3 might be tackling afzaliyyat because it obviously needs a few. They can't all abandon it. 3% is fine. Atheism is such a problem that 97% should refute it.

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    And aH, what have you been doing wasting time on internal fitnah for the last 25 years?
     
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  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    I propose that all the graduates of Jamia al Karam, because they don't tackle time wasters like afzaliyyat and sulh kullism, should concentrate on apostasy.

    Because it's the UK, it needs to be in English. And in English, I don't see speakers apart from Shahid Ali and Naveed Ashrafi talk much on afzaliyyat anyway.

    So two out of let's say a hundred. So really the post should've been about the remaining.

    So where are the rest of the English speakers to look after apostasy? Shouldn't they be the ones who are called to action instead?
     
  7. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    But no, afzaliyyat is the problem.

    The point these people miss is, there have recently been more events on afzaliyyat BECAUSE Irfan Shah is still in JTI and has been attacking this very aqidah.

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    I believe in 80/20.

    Our main job should be against the points I mentioned in another thread about liberalism. But don't discredit the closet shiah problem. They're in our masjids all over the UK.
     
  8. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Spending £100,000 to put up large tents where women also come out to extol the pir
     
  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Actual time wasters:

    Naat events
    Interfaith events
    Urs where a modern day pir is extolled - these happen way more than afzaliyyat events.
    Christmas, Easter and other perennialist folly
    Peace Forums of Hamza and bin Bayyah
    Online summits about the above
    Foreign pirs holding events with young woman singing
     
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  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    He has but not clear enough. To his credit, he is one of the few English speakers who has named Irfan Shah and refuted him. However, now that Irfan is completely out, ulama such as Asrar sahib need to make it clear to JTI that Irfan isn't fit for the pulpit.

    Asrar sahib might say he has other priorities but no one's asking for Jalali style radd. Just one statement that Irfan shouldn't be in JTI. Then carry on with your thing.

    No one needs to leave the day job. I'll start another thread to gather Irfan's errors for easy access.
     
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  11. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    I tend to disagree brother. Shaykh Asrar liked to condemn Asif Jalali sahib when the khata episode became so old, so at least he has a duty to openly condemn and refute Irfan Shah. It will be a bigger service to the ummah as the rafizis are currently creating more harm to the Sunnis than any atheist is currently doing!

    P. S. The Asif Jalali sahib episode was a blessing to the Pakistani Sunnis as it exposed the hidden rafizis amongst them!
     
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  12. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    as an outsider to the uk, i would suggest to let the younger english speakers like Asrar Rashid, Shahid Ali, Monawwar Ateeq, and others like them focus on liberalism, atheism, lgbtq etc.

    ageing urdu/punjabi/etc. speaking heretics like iran shah and paqs should be dealt with by the older scholars speaking those languages

    english speaking heretics like akram nadwi, malm, those two devbandi sidekicks of zameel, etc. should be dealt with jointly by senior native (urdu/punjabi etc) speaking ulama as well as the english speakers like Shahid Ali and Asrar Rashid

    naatkhwans should be shunned at all costs and the current out of hands naatkhwani culture should be eliminated till further notice.

    a social survey should be conducted to find out what the awam is in dire needs of right now.
     
  13. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    I don't get these mutually exclusive type people. Who said don't tackle liberalism? And why can't both be done?

    We've called for ulama to tackle liberal ideology for years on social media.

    And, yes, time should be apportioned according to need. And liberalism is a bigger menace.

    But why downplay necessary creed? Closet shiah are becoming a major problem.

    If certain ulama are taking on inner tribulations like closet shiah and sulh kullism, others who don't tackle these should concentrate on the liberal agenda.

    What if I were to say Shaykh Asrar is only focused on theology and atheism whilst closet shiah and sulh kullism grow? That would be slightly unfair. He is doing what he's good at. Leave him be unless he actively participates in pushing these tribulations that he doesn't tackle.

    We need ulama of all shades. Those who have an academic background should certainly work on liberalism.

    Anyway, the most dangerous part is deeming afzaliyyat a non-issue. Let me tell you, if Jalali hadn't risen, Pakistan would've been overrun by sunfadiyyah on this 'non-issue'.

    We've got Irfan Shah sat in the central masjid of JTI and most ulama of the UK are silent. Him holding that position sets an extremely dangeorus and ugly precedent so we should be grateful for those ulama who are concentrating efforts on afzaliyyat.

    And those who don't talk about afzaliyyat, I don't see them tackling liberalism anyway. As in why was afzaliyyat the only issue he found? Why not mention the time wasters who do Christmas, Easter and go to London for the queen's funeral? Or those who gather people for naats? Why only afzaliyyat?
     
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  14. Hanafi Sunni

    Hanafi Sunni Well-Known Member

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    "Mullahs" in UK are wasting their time on proving the Afzaliyat of Sayyiduna Siddique Akbar Radi Allahu Anhu as it's a complete non-issue.

    So kindly stop wasting time and do what Mufti Al-Arab says immediately.
     

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