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Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Aqdas, Jun 4, 2007.

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    for me, is:

    (1) someone not well-versed in basic islamic teachings

    or

    (2) someone with another agenda

    for (1), it is best not to say such things in front of him. it will confuse him. try to explain to him.

    for (2), say it as much as you can:

    ghayz meiN jal jaayeN be deenoN ke dil
    yaa rasulAllah ki kasrat kijiye

    i'm sure this unprepared witness (2) would have issues with the blind saHabi hadith anyway. (2) is very well-verses in islamic sciences but so was shaytan...

    Allahu a'lam.
     
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2007
  2. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    It should not but sadly it does.... outwardly, "to the unprepared witness" it gives the impression "that they are placed on an equal footing with Allah Most High or that they are being supplicated instead of, or with Allah Most High" so it is best to stick to the supplication taught to us by our beloved Nabi [sallallahu alayhi wa sallam] referred to by Imam Ahmad [rh].
     
  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    but saying the following should not fall under the category of expressions that may cause others to have su' al-dhann:
     
  4. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    as-salamu 'alaikum,


    Shaykh Musa Furber:


    Abu Bakr al-Marwazi narrated in his Mansak that Imam Ahmad preferred for one to make tawassul through the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in every supplication with the wording,

    “O Allah! I am turning to You with Your Prophet, the Prophet of mercy. O Muhammad! I am turning with you to my Lord for the fulfillment of my need.”


    The report is mentioned in the books of the Hanbali madhhab as it bears on the adab of du`a as a fiqh issue.(1)



    (1) Cf. Ibn Muflih's Furu` (1:595=2:204); al-Mardawi's Insaf (2:456); Ibn `Aqil's Tadhkira; al-Buhuti, Kashshaf al-Qina` (2:68); Shams al-Din ibn Mulih, al-Furu` (2:159), al-Hajjaqi, al-Iqna` (1:208).
     
  5. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    "Oh Allah, I ask You and turn to You through my Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy; O Muhammad (Ya Muhammad), I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight [and in another version: "for my need, that it may be fulfilled. O Allah, grant him intercession for me"]."

    The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) added, "And if there is some need, do the same."

     
  6. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    as-salamu 'alaikum

    personally I thought the shaykh's comments were very well balanced, masha'Allah.

    The whole statement should be read:

    http://www.marifah.net/articles/tawassulawliya-gfhaddad.pdf



    I have been asked on this forum and elsewhere if I say Ya X Madad, etc. and I've said no [even though I don't hold it against those who do] and people have questioned me but the following is a good explanation why I do not do it:


    and Allah knows best
     
  7. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    if someone took the 'aqida answers of shaykh haddad and omitted his name; one would think it was a translation from a barelwi scholar.

    alHamdulillah!

    jaa al haqqu wa zahaqal baatil innal baatila kaana zahooqaa
     
  8. faqir

    faqir Veteran

  9. tazkiyya2003

    tazkiyya2003 Active Member

    As for the expressions mentioned, such as "Ya Abdul Qadir adrikni" (Ya
    Abdul Qadir look at me) or "Ya Nakshibandi Madad", the Ulema differ
    about their appropriateness but the majority consider them harmless and
    say that such expressions boil down to asking those Awliya for their
    du`a and their istighfar on behalf of the supplicant, with the firm
    understanding that the supplicant's supplication is ultimately directed
    to Allah Most High. This was clarified by al-Habib al-Zayn in the same
    source mentioned above. This source is available in Arabic on the web at
    http://www.rifaieonline.com/shobhat.html#

    As for the questions "How can the awliya hear from afar," and "are their
    souls informed directly or indirectly," and what is the proof: these
    questions, strictly speaking, concern the modalities of the interlife
    (barzakh) which are of no concern to us. Proofs on the reality of their
    hearing and the fact that they are neither unaware nor uninformed abound
    in the books devoted to the life of the soul after death such as Ibn
    al-Qayyim's al-Ruh among others.

    The question remains that the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace, and
    the Awliya, may Allah be well-pleased with them, should not be addressed
    in a way as to suggest to the unprepared witness that they are placed on
    an equal footing with Allah Most High or that they are being supplicated
    instead of, or with Allah Most High. Even if such is not the intention,
    a person making tawassul must also avoid the appearance of such
    intention since that would create fitna or worse. Therefore, it is best
    to stick to the formulations used and taught by the people of learning,
    chief among all of them the form of dua taught by the Prophet, upon him
    blessings and peace, to the blind man, and this was the most preferable
    of all forms of tawassul in the eyes of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, may Allah
    be well-pleased with him. We should also exert patience and ask Allah
    Most High to increase our knowledge, which may take time, and keep us in
    the company of His righteous servants, not only so we can fulfill His
    command to "be with those who are truthful" but because our souls and
    hearts may spiritually suffocate and die otherwise. Finally we should be
    aware that the Sufi Faqih is rarer than the purest gold, not to mention
    the uneducated. All success is from Allah Most High.

    GF Haddad
     

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