18th Dhil Hijjah

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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    great, and also maybe you can touch on nabeel's cited hadith which has the part re Hazrat Umar greeting Hazrat Ali on this occasion, radi Allahu 3anhuma.
  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i am reminded of the hadith:

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    “Indeed, one of you will do deeds that are deeds of the dwellers of Paradise, and will keep doing them until they are so close to it that the distance between them is only but an arm’s length, but the Written [kitāb] will take over and they will start doing deeds of the people of Hell and then enter it.

    Indeed one of you will do deeds of the dwellers of Hell, and will be doing so until they are so close to it that the distance bwteen them is only but an arm’s length, but the Written [kitāb] will take over and they will start doing acts of the people of Paradise and then enter it.”

    nas'alu ALlah al-aafiyah.

    the hadith, "man kuntu mawlahu fa `aliyyun mawlahu" is a mutawatir hadith. zabidi mentions that it is narrated by 21 companions. scholars have argued about its authenticity. some have said that in spite of multiple routes, it barely reaches the grade of Hasan; but generally, it is considered as a SaHiH hadith. dhahabi examined various chains and rated them as SaHiH. even albani considers this as a SaHiH narration. in some narrations there are spurious additions, which hadith masters have pointed out as obvious forgeries - but the above statement is narrated through SaHiH chains.

    in sha'Allah another thread to examine what it means. wa billahi't tawfiq.
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  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i'm at work, and got this from some googling, from Imam Ahmad's Musnad and his Fadail Al-Sahabah

    Musnad - https://al-maktaba.org/book/25794/15012

    Fadail - https://al-maktaba.org/book/13136/1020

    need to see commentary and implications of the mentioned Hadith.

    if Ala Hazrat has a commentary on the specific hadith, it will be great, because it will probably be available in Urdu too and will be inclusive of refutations of badmazhabs. if someone knows, please advise
  4. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    I am not on Facebook so can't access the link. If this is the case then Is Nabeel going to admit he had a Nasabi mentality previously
  5. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

  6. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @Aqdas I would even go further and say a couple of years ago Nabeel and co would not have been in favour of such conferences. What's changed?
  7. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    In last 30 years, when has Irfan Shah held a conference Jashne Wilayat e Mawla Ali? Why now?

    Secondly, Sayyiduna Umar رضي الله عنه didn't congratulate. The narrator is shiah.
  8. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @AbdalQadir You are right about confusing people and muddying the waters because he prefaces this talk by stating that this is linked to 'creedal/docrtinal' issues.
  9. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    He mentioned the narration in the Musnad of Imam Ahmad in the chapter of Gadeer. Syeduna Umar was the first to congratulate Syeduna Ali and from this Nabeel and co justify their commemoration of Eid ul Gadeer.
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    what are tahir's daleels from the 1001 books that he has supposedly published? what have the Sunni shuyukh responded to tahir?

    i've only recently been made aware of this topic of minhajis and tafdilis celebrating this day
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    do we have any references for this from Sunni sources? did nabeel provide any?

    if Sayyiduna Umar was the first to celebrate it, radi Allahu 3anhu, it shouldn't be too hard to locate Sunni shuyukh too who celebrated it or endorsed it.

    actually the shias too mention Wilayah (see the random tweets i linked)

    we could get into discussions on "Wilayah" but that will open up subjective topics of spirituality which are quite relative and contextual, which is what these guys want so that they can confuse people and project those discussions onto very crisp and objective matter of Aqidah push their rafidi agenda. let's first see what the Sunni shuyukh of uk respond to these guys (if at all they do) and take it from there...
  12. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    It seems like Sh Nabeel wants to promote the same beliefs as the likes of Dr Tahir ul Qadri about Syeduna Ali bring the Spiritual khalifah/successor to the holy prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)
  13. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    I watched Sh Nabeel's short speech yesterday in the conference that is mentioned in an earlier post. Apart from calling many Sunnis as Nasabis, he justified the commemoration of Eid ul gadeer because Syeduna Umar was the first to celebrate it. He distinguished between the Sunni perspective and Shia by saying that the latter say Gadeer refers to the announcement of Syeduna Ali's khilafah whereas Sunnis view it as the announcement of Syeduna Ali's Wilayah.
  14. abu hamzah

    abu hamzah Active Member

  15. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    the same rafidi festival

    jashne wilayat is just another way to say the same thing - ghadeer khumm.

    so basically these guys on that poster, led by jamati and iran shah are all certifying themselves as open rawafid
  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    no bro, i just got a pre-emptive warning on whatsapp saying that minhaji juhhal and closet rafidis have also started celebrating the ghadeer khumm and to keep an eye out. so i posted here.

    i was having a hunch and sure enough as per what brother @Aqdas posted, iran shah and his puppetmaster munawwar jamati are also into spreading this shia thing

    fyi, afaik, this is the night the rawafid in their alleged joy, conduct candlelight vigil mass mut3ahs. there are rawafid who call this fiction and libel by Sunnis but this thing is known with near tawatur all over the Sunni world regardless of language or ethnicity. i suspect mut3ah (on ghadeer or otherwise) is the next stop for these closet rawafid. just wait another 3-5 yrs
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  17. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    What's all this about?

  18. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @AbdalQadir Have you found any examples of this. I saw on YouTube that Dr Tahir ul Qadir marked it.
  19. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  20. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    please keep an eye out for the events on/around this day.

    tafdilis, closet rawafid tafdilis, and jahil minhajis have started celebrating the eid alghadeer of the rawafid

    it will start wednesday (28 july) evening if one follows desi/iranian calendar; or tuesday (27 july) evening if some pretend-Sunni tafdilis/rawafid are following middle eastern sighting

    know that it's the day of Shahadat of Sayyiduna Dhin Noorayn Usman radi Allahu 3anhu.
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