Adab al masjid and kids

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  1. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    Your post is moved here because the original thread is about analysing the action of molana aslam sahab - whether it is okay or not to pray like that while holding a child

    and your solution is not practical, because;

    it is against the prohibition (nahi) from RasulAllah sallallahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam, it is a sin to bring children below the age of understanding and knowing the adab of masjid.

    it is not difficult to understand the wisdom behind this prohibition;

    (a) if the child is wearing a najas diaper then it will invalidate the salah, and it is a sin to bring impurities (najasah) in masjid

    (b) child may puke milk because of her stomach going upsidedown in sujood and make the clothes of the muSlli najas or najasah may fall on the floor/carpet of the masjid.

    (c) child may start crying and disturb the jama'ah.
     
  2. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    Not sure why my post got moved here. It was a possible practical solution to carrying children in Salah that is more relevant to the original thread.
     
  3. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    sign of qiyamah.
     
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  4. Ahmadh

    Ahmadh New Member

    Some people take it too far.
     
  5. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    not a bad idea but this playing area for kids should be completely separate from the masjid; in the pic, it is an open area, and kids can easily disturb the jama'ah if one or more kids start crying or shoutingng, going to their parents, and/or entering the praying area while carrying najasah in their diapers, etc. a sound-proof closed area with glass walls, with an attendant to handle the kids, might be a good solution
     
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  6. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    Didn’t know about this. I get that if they’re too young they might disturb others and/or soil, so makes sense.

    I remember Sh Aslam saying the following (see pic) about having kids in the masjid.


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  7. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    There is a clear prohibition in the prophetic narrations;

    حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ السُّلَمِيُّ حَدَّثَنَا مُسْلِمُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ حَدَّثَنَا الْحَارِثُ بْنُ نَبْهَانَ حَدَّثَنَا عُتْبَةُ بْنُ يَقْظَانَ عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ عَنْ مَكْحُولٍ عَنْ وَاثِلَةَ بْنِ الأَسْقَعِ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ: ((جَنِّبُوا مَسَاجِدَكُمْ صِبْيَانَكُمْ وَمَجَانِينَكُمْ وَشِرَارَكُمْ وَبَيْعَكُمْ وَخُصُومَاتِكُمْ وَرَفْعَ أَصْوَاتِكُمْ وَإِقَامَةَ حُدُودِكُمْ وَسَلَّ سُيُوفِكُمْ وَاتَّخِذُوا عَلَى أَبْوَابِهَا الْمَطَاهِرَ وَجَمِّرُوهَا فِي الْجُمَعِ)).
    (ibn Majah 799)​

    wathila bin asqa' raDiyAllahu a'nh narrated that Rasul Allah sallallahu alaihi wasalam said;

    keep your masajid safe from your young kids*, from your insane people, from your quarrels (or quarrelsome people), from your business dealings, from your disputes, from raising your voices in them, from establishing legal punishments in them, and from wielding swords (i.e. weapons) in them, and make places for purification at the entrances of your masajid, and burn incense in them every Friday.
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    * those kids who do not understand the manners of visiting and praying in masajid, usually below 7.
     
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  8. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    I heard a ruling on Madani channel that if your mobile rings and you can't manage to switch it off quickly with one hand, break your prayer and switch it off.

    This is so that other people's prayer isn't disturbed.

    So similarly, praying with a child in jama'at will cause disruption to others. So one shouldn't come for jama'at in such a scenario.

    Pray at home or find a carer.
     
  9. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    yes, if there is no other option available.
     
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  10. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    Just to clarify, if someone is the sole carer of their baby/toddler, it is preferable if they don’t come to the masjid at all for any jamaat?
     
  11. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    the person should leave the masjid with the kid, toddlers may cause najasah in the masjid, even if they are wearing diapers.
     
  12. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    If someone is in the masjid with their baby/toddler and jamaat has started, should they pray Jamaat?
     

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