Akram Nadwi says Nabi Harun accepted shirk

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  1. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    akram says:

    @7.24:
    my fear was that you will say, that you divided banu israyil.
    division of banu israyil is so harmful that he accepted - for a while - for them to worship the calf. still remained with them. if we had been...o..command good, forbid evil. people worship calf. fight them, do jihad. no. haroon is a messenger. he is a messenger prophet. he remains calm. the qur'an mentions the story. to make very clear. unity of the believer is much more important. though he know that it is evil, worshipping the calf is so bad. but jama'ah is more important. he waited until musa came. when musa came...he has revelation, then he did proper thing what prophet should have done. keep in mind this thing.

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    the idiot cannot grasp that calf worshipers did not remain believers after committing polytheism (Shirk)?

    if polytheism (shirk) is not disbelief (kufr) according to this fool, what is?
     
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  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    sayyiduna haroon alayhi's salam did not fight with the calf-worshippers because he assumed that if he did, there would be bloodshed. and if there would be bloodshed, then (he thought) sayyiduna musa alayhi's salam would reprimand him. since he was not sure whether sayyiduna musa alayhi's salam would approve of this, he did not fight them.

    this was NOT about unity. it was only that sayyiduna haroon alayhi's salam was following the leader's (i.e. sayyiduna musa alayhi's salam) instructions - and was not clear whether fighting the rogue group in the community was an option.

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    he didn't go away either, for the same reason. he thought sayyiduna musa alayhi's salam would blame him for abandoning others.

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    in other words, sayyiduna haroon did NOT maintain any unity with the idol/calf worshippers. he and his followers sat aside and didn't fight the rogues, the calf-worshippers.
     
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    whoever says that "haroon alayhi's salam accepted shirk" is lying on the noble prophet and is slander.

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    sayyiduna haroon alayhi's salam did not stop them or leave them to go away, because he feared that hazrat musa alayhi's salam would reprimand him for bloodshed. this does not mean that he accepted calf worship. al-iyadhu billah.

    secondly, he TRIED to stop them - as is evident from verse 150 of surah a'araf. and the calf-worshippers were close to murdering the prophet.

    akram nadwi is ignorant of basic principles and utter common sense. even if he has doctorates and lengthy authorisations. totally worthless - the fool cannot comprehend a simple thing - nor realises what he is blurting!

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    and secondly, he is violating the injunction of the qur'an, which quotes sayyiduna haroon's words: "do not include me among the evil people".
     
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    or this one:

    surat a'araf, v150:

    7_150.png
     
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  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    looks like he didn't read this aayat:

    surat a'araf, v142:

    7_142.png
     
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  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    according to akram nadawi, haroon alayhi's salam accepted shirk and this is "unity of believers"

    idiot.

    akram says:

    @7.24:
    my fear was that you will say, that you divided banu israyil.
    division of banu israyil is so harmful that he accepted - for a while - for them to worship the calf. still remained with them. if we had been...o..command good, forbid evil. people worship calf. fight them, do jihad. no. haroon is a messenger. he is a messenger prophet. he remains calm. the qur'an mentions the story. to make very clear. unity of the believer is much more important. though he know that it is evil, worshipping the calf is so bad. but jama'ah is more important. he waited until musa came. when musa came...he has revelation, then he did proper thing what prophet should have done. keep in mind this thing.

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    with apologies to the PC-muslims and PC-"aalims".

    this is outright stupid. only a rank jahil can say this. according to this imbecile, jama'ah is more important than tawHid!

    "worshipping the calf is so bad. but jama'ah is more important".​

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    so we should wait until revelation comes to forbid people from evil? he flipped the whole story!

    according to this ghabiyy, not stopping is equal to acceptance! in other words, the prophet "accepted shirk for a while" ma'adhAllah. notice he said:

    so harmful that he accepted - for a while - for them to worship the calf. still remained with them.
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    and it is akram nadwi's principle that people can commit open shirk and still "be united as a believer". sub'HanAllah. akram nadwi's fans and all those claimants to knowledge who have become so inert that nothing outrages them (when celebrities speak) should ask themselves: did haroon alayhi's salam say: 'feared that you divided banu israyil' or 'feared that you divided the believers'?

    even if someone whines that i am being too pedantic - the fact remains that the qur'an speaks (quoting hazrat haroon alayhi's salam) : "banu israyil" NOT "believers".

    so using this incident to emphasis on unity is ignorance. jahalat.

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    if unity were so important than tawHid, then what happened afterward? did musa alayhi's salam also say the same thing: "oh unity is important let us not say anything and let us permit the worship of calf and open shirk until revelation comes..." [al-iyadhu billah]

    but why did he (alayhi's salam) get angry in the first place? according to the nadwi principle of tawhid: "unity among people is more important than being a unitarian". so hazrat musa alayhi's salam getting angry was not right!

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    it is this man, shaykh yaqubi is so awed about and even writes a qaSidah for him!
     
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  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    a brother sent me this. listen after 6:00




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    what are these guys smoking? these guys speak of prophets, like one speaks of characters from popular stories.


    nouman ali khan, akram nadwi, the vampire punk - whatsisname - abu lies, atabek and his followers. these imbeciles think that trash-talking like they were on reddit is acceptable in civilised society.

    the first thing these idiots need to learn is the adab of talking about prophets before becoming expert commentators on qur'an and hadith. learn from our ulama not from american television and reddit.
     

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