"Barelwi" Ulama of Afghanistan & their Refutation of Deoband ; Allamah Ubaydullah Qandahari & Allamah Khayr Muhammad Qandahari Mujaddidi : https://jpst.it/4DNE0 https://x.com/chevronmarked/status/1978116204117041394?t=QjwAnjwLrugNAZ0Y4VtwLQ&s=19 Khorasāni Endorsement of Imām Ahmad Rida Khan's Fatwa of Kufr upon the 4 Blasphemous Elders of Deoband : Khwaja Pir Saifur Rahman Mubarak Al Khorasāni : “I agree with the rulings of Imām Ahmad Raza, for Imām Ahmad Raza was a lover of the Messenger ﷺ and a walī of Allah.” https://x.com/chevronmarked/status/1972604462721339526?t=gjyJP5dprcRPywV26499tw&s=19
"We will use the Taliban the way we want. They listen more to Deoband. We'll control them through Deoband." "They are mercenaries. India is a much bigger economy. We will inject more funds & they will be on our side." — Ajit Doval(Indian National Security Advisor) in 2016 : https://x.com/Hjuujkld/status/1977373438005100703?t=VlhDdQgzlDQCF-SErFEVMw&s=19 Just to be clear I do not endorse this Twitter account,
Dar ul uloom Haqqania is a deo madrasah in Pakistan which has been famous for several years as being the place where many of the taliban studied. Mullah Umar studied under a graduate from this madrasah by the way. Here, they confirm that Jalaludeen of the Haqqani network studied there and even taught there:
Sorry but the fact that the majority of the public of Afghanistan might be hanafi sunni doesn't change the fact that taliban have been widely recognised since inception as being deobandi/deo inclined. If taqi usmani and other deos somehow managed to take over Pakistan tomorrow, showing me some guy in lahore celebrating mawlid wouldn't tell me anything about the aqeedah of the country's leadership. Dilly Hussain from 5 pillars literally sat with taliban leaders and came back and confirmed they're hanafi deobandi in one of his videos a year or so ago. You'll have various deobandi schools/muftis claiming their students have often gone to join afghan taliban or the Pakistani terrorist one. People like Abdul Raheem, head of the same madrasah where tariq masood taught, admitted in a podcast that one of the former teachers there is now one of the main muftis of Pakistani taliban. He also mentioned he's had discussions with afghan taliban and believes they're basically the same people and they provide sanctuary to them etc- can look this up on YouTube fairly easily. Listen to that lal masjid guy, Abdul Aziz, that fraud khareeji.... He still supports khurooj against Pakistan til this day, making all kinds of claims re the afghan taliban which he would never make if they were actually sunni or barelwi inclined in any way. Have you ever heard sunni scholars of Pakistan claim their students have gone to join afghan taliban etc? Why is it always taqi usmani and crowd getting involved, holding meetings, writing letters etc... It's because the taliban are dirty deos and these people are actually connected. Their 'khurooj' against Pakistan is literally najdi khariji 101 type of stuff in how they reason and declare mass takfir etc. Now they're in India and visiting dar Al uloom deoband itself, hear it from the horses mouth here about the long standing relationship between taliban and deoband:
i am sorry, i do not have any interaction with afghan scholars. i cannot say anything about this issue. also, the people are referred to as afghan / afghans. afghani is the currency, like rupiya.
Interesting video here, https://x.com/IbnFirdos/status/1950116181072838782?t=3zPuljEUC1L4YzcbHH5KDw&s=19 An Afghani scholar says that he considers both barelvis & deobandis sunni if their beliefs align with Aswj, But some Deobandis have corrupt beliefs & only act sunni to deceive people Would be nice to hear shk. Abu Hassan's view on the matter
Mufti Fazl Subhan mentioned in NMJM that most of Afghanistan is Sunni Maturidi I'll see if I can find the speech
Let's not forget important differentiator in the subcontinent between deo and sunni is mawlid So does Afghanistan or taliban celebrate mawlid or not? Do they have fatawa for or against ?
The thing is, We have very little info about them; Do they Revere & worship The 4 Tawāghīt like Subcontinent Deos? Are they aware of the blasphemies or has it been kept hidden from them by the sneaky deos? Pashtuns were/are very ghayratmand people with deep ties to tasawwuf & ishq e nabi ﷺ, According to mufti Ahmad yaar khan they were the ones to murder Ismail Dehlvi, So did the entire country accept deo blasphemies just like this? Is Deobandiyyat a Wahabi Influenced movement for them or merely a curriculum/madrassah ? Taking all this into consideration should they be considered deviants by default if Afghans call themselves deobandi? الله اعلم Ulama can check the videos & comments from this channel. He seems pretty knowledgeable about the internal Afghani dynamics & their relationship with the Ma'mūlāt, deos,wahabis etc.
Taliban and afghani deos are istghatha doing deos. I think they are not proper deos as such. When taliban started from pakistan they had some elements or some students who studied under deos, but they are not hardcore deos.. they studied under all circumstances... i mean studied under hanafi scholars whatever was available with good intentions... Pashtun or pakhtoon people are simple and straight forward. So pathans can be easily tricked and deceived by deobandits. Never found any reputable afghani scholar defending deobandits but found many defending our sunni aqaid.
Taliban, Kitab Al Tawheed & Deoband As Arab Salafis grapple with what they perceive as a betrayal of their goodwill—as a book they cherish most is banned in Afghanistan. They must understand that, for Afghans, the issue isn’t Kitab al-Tawhid. Its actually the person of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab himself. Their confusion stems from a longstanding assumption that Taliban theological and historical sensibilities align with Deoband—which at least since the 1920s, has shown a soft spot for MIAW as a figure.. rather than a wholesale embrace of his works or ideas. Yes, the Taliban may trace their scholarly roots to Deoband, but labeling them purely Deobandi would be an oversimplification. This is because: a) Their Sufi lineage is primarily tied to local Afghan Mashaikh who are independent of Deoband, and are fiercely anti-MIAW. b) They lack Deoband’s historical soft spot for Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, a distinction that becomes particularly evident in their practices and attitudes. Here is a typical attitude of Afghan ulema toward’s MIAW: “Sultan Selim III concluded a peace treaty with Russia through the mediation of the British in the year (1207 AH). During his reign, many disturbances occurred, including the Wahhabi uprising. The founder of this uprising was Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, originally from the East and belonging to the Banu Tamim tribe. The fighting began between the Wahhabis and the Emir of Mecca, Mawlana Sharif Ghalib ibn Musa’id, who was a deputy of the Sublime Ottoman Sultanate over the Hijazi regions in the year (1205 AH). The emergence of the Wahhabis had taken place many years prior, and their strength and influence first grew in their own lands. Subsequently, their harm increased, their damage multiplied, and they killed countless people, plundering their wealth and enslaving their women.” Source: Tammat al-Niẓām fī Tārīkh al-Qaḍāʾ fī al-Islām by ʿAbd al-Ḥakīm Ḥaqqānī Also, for a lot of Afghans, “Wahhabiyano” still evoke memories of Sayyaf, whom the Taliban see as the ultimate traitor, and Jamil al-Rahman. Abdulrab Rasul Sayyaf, a former Afghan mujahideen leader was closely linked with Saudi Arabia and had ties with international jihadists, including those who might be labeled as Wahhabis. Sayyaf, seen as a traitor by the Taliban due to his opposition to them, was part of the Northern Alliance against the Taliban. Jamil al-Rahman was a Salafist leader in Kunar Province, Afghanistan, who led a group that was theologically close to Wahhabism. His assassination in 1991 led to the dissolution of the Islamic Emirate of Kunar, highlighting the internal conflicts and the complex religious landscape in Afghanistan. OP : https://x.com/movetomuscat/status/1880985783483642068?t=JXG55AEIZk_MsinhA8decg&s=19 There is another argument being perpetuated amongst also : The prayer behind Deobandīs would vary from Makrūh to Ḥalāl as we have Deobandīs who are inclined towards Wahhābism and we have Deobandīs in Afghanistan who aren’t Wahhābīs but are Māturīdī Ṣūfīs who don’t condone any blasphemy. (https://x.com/ClarifyingLight/status/1875999587900747983?t=iHIOaqYEJopaKdUmtaM4og&s=19)
