Ballet: what's the Islamic verdict?

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  1. mkahn133

    mkahn133 New Member

    salam alaykum :

    by the way Sidi Aqdas, are you Shaykh Muhammad Aqdas from aqdas.co.uk ?
     
  2. mkahn133

    mkahn133 New Member

    as-Selam Alaykum :

    Please forgive me and delete my comments if I have offended any of you, as that was not the purpose of my comments

    JazakAllah
     
  3. mkahn133

    mkahn133 New Member

    as-Salam Alaykum :

    I do not condone ballet however nor do I condone the acts of cussing or calling something or someone homosexual. Although, I must agree with Mawlana Abu Hasan (May Allah protect him) and Sidi Chisti that Islamically, watching or participating in ballet is unacceptable.
     
  4. mkahn133

    mkahn133 New Member

    Bismillah hir Rahman nir Raheem

    Alhamdulliah Rab al-'Alameen wa Afdhal as-Salat 'ala Sayyid as-Sadat wa 'Alihi wa Sahbihi wa Salim

    Ama Badh :

    As-Salamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barkatuh wa Maghfiratuh :

    I pray to Allah (Subhan wa Ta'ala wa Jal wa 'Ala) that this finds you in the best of spirit, Iman, Ihsan , and health.


    Sidi Asif, May I request that you not cuss ? . Also, Brother Faqir , could you please not say such inappropriate things ? May Allah bless us all and guide us to al-Sirat al-Mustaqeem. O Allah , forgive us for the sake of your beloved one, our master Sayyiduna Muhammad al-Mustafa (Sal Allahu 'Alayhi wa Salim)

    'Ameen Thumma 'Ameen


    HasbunAllah wa na'imal wakeel wa la hawla quwatta ila Billahil 'Aliyil Atheem wa Astaghfirullahi wa 'Utubuh Ilayh.

    As-Salatu wa Salam 'Alayka Ya Sayyiduna Ya Rasul Allah wa 'Alihi wa Sahbihi Ya Habib Allah (Sal Allahu 'Alayhi wa Salim)

    Subhan Rabbika Rabill 'Izzati 'Ama Yasifun wa Salamun 'ala Mursalin wal Hamdulillahi Rab al-'Alameen . Al-Fateha

    Wasalamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakatuh wa Maghfiratuh :


    Mahmood



    Sidi Asif (May Allah bless and protect and forgive him) said :


    Wow! What a profound and mature comment! How old are you--12?
    There probably are valid objections to ballet from a strict islamic perspectice as aH has indicated but your comment was...just ****

    Sidi Faqir (May Allah bless, protect, and forgive him) said :

    LOL !

    Ballet is *** !
     
  5. CHISHTI

    CHISHTI Well-Known Member

    How many of us would be happy for our sisters/wives to take up ballet, to wear skin tight and revealing clothes and be lifted up by men while being watched by an audience?

    Brother NJ to love culture is a good thing as it broadens the mind but any aspect of culture which directly oposes revelation actually isn't high culture at all...it's just been defined as high culture by non Muslims...and should be avoided.
     
  6. Wow! What a profound and mature comment! How old are you--12?
    There probably are valid objections to ballet from a strict islamic perspectice as aH has indicated but your comment was...just crap.
     
  7. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    lol

    ballet is gay
     
  8. abu nibras

    abu nibras Staff Member

    jazakallah for this. the imam radyallahu anhu's words are so concise hard hitting. may Allah save me and us from the fitnah of this world and the hereafter aamen.
     
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  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    Impermissibility Matrix

     

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  10. Assalaam Alaikum

    Sidi nj whats so cultural about men and women prancing about near naked(with the skin tight attire they don) and fondling each other through out the whole show?

    Sorry pal i doubt you'll get a fatwa of jawaaz in this matter from any moulvi.
     
  11. Misbah al-Hidaya

    Misbah al-Hidaya Active Member

    kitab al-aghaani 23 volumes...some details of aslaaf taking part in the arts!
     
  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the problem with many muslims in today's world is that they have forgotten the purpose of their lives. their egos [nafs] have grown obscenely obese, that they wish their caprice to be permitted by law.

    there was a time when a muslim indulging in his desire acknowledged it to be unlawful; but today's muslim desires his indulgence be acknowledged as lawful. the problem with muslims today is just like the prophet sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam foretold: '...love of this world and dislike of death.'

    ---
    our prophet sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said: 'this world is sweet and green...' we are seduced by the pleasures in this world. but our Lord Almighty has promised a great reward for those who abstain from worldly pleasures.

    it is therefore said [attributed to imam shafiyi]:
    inna li’llāhi íbādan fuţanā
    ţallaqu’d dunya wa khāfu’l fitanā
    nažaru fīhā falammā álimū
    annahā laysat li ĥayyin waţanā
    jaálūhā lujjatan wa’t-takhadhū
    şāliha’l aámāli fīhā sufunā

    Truly there are bondsmen of Allah who are very wise
    They have renounced the world, fearing fitna [temptation, turmoil]
    They have looked long at it, and they have realized that:
    This is no place for the Living to dwell
    They have abandoned the world [and its pleasures] at the shore,
    And have sailed away in ships carved of good deeds.
    ---
    as an urdu poem goes:
    jagah jee lagaaney ki dunyaa nahiN hai
    yeh ibrat ki jaa hai, tamaasha nahiN hai

    this world is not a place to indulge in,
    it is a lesson to learn, not a festival for fun.


    ---
    how we have forgotten death and that comes after!



    ---
    imam ibn aTa'illah as-sakandari says in taj al-arus:
    He who spends the good fortune of being in good health and comfort in disobeidience of Allah ta'ala is like that person who inherits thousands from his father and spends them in buying snakes and scorpions to sorround himself. He pokes at this and plays with that - doesn't he see that they [are poisonous and] can kill him?

    How you waste away hours in opposition to your Lord Almighty; you are like a vulture, which keeps encircling above to find a carcass and when it finds one, descends hastily upon it.

    Be like the bee; it is small in size but still, has a great determination. It drinks the pure and brings forth that which is pure. If at all you want to indulge, indulge yourself in the love and service of Allah ta'ala; it is this in reality, which shows the path you tread.

    But those who are dead, wallowing in their negligence do not feel any distress; because a foolish woman keeps laughing and merry even when her son has died. Similarly, you do not bother about praying in the night or fasting in the day, yet you are not afflicted [in spite of such a great loss.]

    This is because negligence [ghaflah] has killed your heart. The prick of a pin will hurt the living - but even if you hack a corpse with a sword, it does not feel a thing.

    You are the dead of heart. Sit ye, in the assembly of the wise and you will sense the perfume of paradise - on the streets [you walk], your door and your house.

     
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  13. :s1:

    sometimes people make islam sound really culturally dead and almost everything deemed 'culture' whether in the East or West is labelled 'haram'! It almost seems as if some brothers (and Sidi Aqdas please don't think this is aimed at you) would only be happy with a cultureless, puritanical Islam which was practised by the Taliban...

    i mean ballet is no big deal per se but the principal can be applied to almost anything. my own view is that anything not explicitly haram is allowed in moderation even if it falls into the category of lahb-o-lahw. As for the looking at ghair mahram women without a need argument that can be applied to almost any situation in the modern, real, world to make it illegal. If one's NIYYAH was to enjoy the art and beauty and artistic excellence of the ballet why would it then be haram~?
     
  14. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    i reckon the ulama would count it as futile. yes, i know, this brings up the watching football etc. debate.

    looking at a ghayr mahram intentionally without need.
     
  15. why and why?
     
  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    even if it didn't involve seeing women, i think it wouldn't be allowed but if it did, then it is surely not allowed?
     
  17. Well this is my new artistic interest: ballet. I plan to watch the Bolshoi and Kirov ballets any chance I can get as well as other ballet companies. Of course ballet was not around in the classical age of islam but I wonder if anyone knows the verdict for going to see a classical ballet such as Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake or The Nutcracker, Giselle, etc.?
     

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