the person who calls himself muhammadi [TPWCHM] quotes ibn adi below and also ibn hajar al-asqalani. he tries to smear al-madayini. some idiot on yanaabi was slandering al-madayini and calling him nasibi whereas al-madayini was known for his love of ahl al-bayt! [see anecdote from siyar] indeed, the quote of ibn adi included a beautiful hadith that elevates imam hasan but i don't know why TPWCHM did not include it. perhaps, it would then question the premise that he was a partisan of banu umayyah? --- anyway, both the quotes below are the same. the first is part of ibn adi's quote and the second is ibn hajar quoting ibn adi. TPWCHM has already given us an entirely new interpretation of iddah for men - he will probably extend it for the widowers too and they can claim complete equality for men and women. --------------------------------------------------------- here is the full note in lisan al-mizan, ibn hajar al-asqalani, vol.6/pg.13 entry:5470 ali ibn muHammad, abu'l Hasan al-madayini al-akhbari (the historian), author of many books. ibn adi mentioned in his 'al-kamil' and said: "ali ibn muhammad ibn abdullah ibn abu sayf al-madayini, mawla of abdu'r raHman ibn samurah is not strong in hadith and is a historian (sahib al-akhbar), his narrations with chains are very few. he has narrated from ja'afar ibn hilal from asim al-aHwal from abu uthman from usamah radiyallahu anhu that he said: 'the prophet SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam was carrying al-Hasan ibn ali and i, he was saying: 'O Allah, i love these two, ye love them too.' --- i say [ibn Hajar]: zubayr ibn bakkar, ahmed ibn zuhayr, harith ibn abu usamah have narrated from him. ahmed ibn abu khaythamah said: “my father, muşáb az-zubayrī and yaĥyā ibn maýīn were sitting outside muşáb’s door, when a man in handsome clothes riding a sprightly donkey came along. yaĥyā spoke to him and said: ‘whither o abu’l ĥasan?’ he replied: ‘toward this honorable thing which fills my pocket: silver and gold [dirham, dinār], going to is-ĥāq ibn ibrāhīm al-mūşalī.’ when he went away, yaĥyā said: ‘trustworthy, trustworthy, trustworthy!’ [thiqah, thiqah, thiqah]. i asked my father, ‘who is he talking about?’ he replied: ‘this al-madāyinī [who just passed by]’. al-madayini passed away in 224 or 225 and he was 93 years old. ---- i say: i did not find him in ibn Hibban's 'thiqat' even though he fulfils his [ibn Hibban's] conditions. ---- abu qilabah said: i narrated a hadith to abu asim an-nabil and he asked: 'you narrate it from whom?', i replied: 'it does not have a chain, but abu'l Hasan al-madayini narrated this to me.' he said: 'sub'HanAllah! abu'l Hasan is an authority himself' [sub'HanAllah, abu'l Hasan isnad] abu ja'afar at-Tabari said: 'he was a great scholar who knew the history of the ages [ayyam an-nas] and he was truthful in what he reported. ibn abu khaythamah said: ibn ma'yin said to me: 'write from madayini' [aH: the text adds kutubih and i assume, he meant write from al-madayini's books; if it is katabah, it means he wrote from it. Allah ta'ala knows best] al-Harith ibn abu usamah mentioned that al-madayini fasted for 30 years before he died, and he was about a hundred years old [when he died]. when he was asked on his death bed, 'what do you desire?' he replied: 'i desire to live'.