Book: maslak e ikhtilal

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  1. abu Hasan

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  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    yes, i know that. it is also present in the excerpt.
    my question is whether saqib rejects ijmaa post-2nd century?

    in other words, is ijmaa a source of legislation post-2nd century?
    has the author clarified the maratib al-ijmaa' in the book and explained the terms?
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  3. Rizvi_Qadri

    Rizvi_Qadri New Member

    Brother 'unbeknown' I am dumbfounded by your response. Raza Academy, Mumbai, published 1000 copies of this book. Before publishing, the book was presented to Hazrat Taj ush Sharia - Perhaps you know better than the specialists, that belong to this field?

    Also brother, some advice, the passage you have highlighted regarding 200 years ijma, is taken from Fatawa Rizawiya and the reference, given in Shaykh Saqib's book. Therefore, it would be best if you did not speak out against it.

    I learnt from Kanz ul Huda brothers that the Mufti's who were presented with the book, before publishing, some were initially against certain aspects in the book. Shaykh Saqib discussed and debated with them – resulting in the Mufti's accepting that this book does not go against Ahlus Sunnah frameworks.

    Brother Unbeknown, I would request you to read the book again, and for those who have not read it but are passing judgements already (perhaps propelled by their personal vendetta against Shaykh Saqib), please read the book in its entirety.

    If you do not understand certain aspects, or feel that certain rulings are against the frame works of Ahlus Sunnah, go and meet with Shaykh Saqib, the way I did – I had no problem in meeting with him on several occasions to discuss the book, seek clarification from the author, after all it is a specialist subject. Failing that, you can seek a fatwa from a Mufti against him?

    I do not see the benefit of commenting further on this subject when people who have not read the book are criticising Shaykh Saqib and not realising that in reality, they are criticising the passages from Fatawa Rizawiya of Ala Hazrat ra.
  4. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    both Imams of Aqeedah, Imam Ash'ari and Imam Maturidi were born post 200 AH.

    so according to saqib, those who adhere to neither of their creeds cannot be called deviants - as deviance is worse than fisq (refer bahar-e-shari'at), and if ijma' is needed for tafseeq, surely it is all the more necessary for dadhleel?

    a lot of mu'tazili ideas too developed after that fateful year whence all ijma' came to an abrupt and dreadful stop.

    well done saqib sahib, with this book you have promoted scores of deviants to sunnis.

    what honor shall I bestow upon you? an ignoble prize seems too small in the face of this stellar achievement.
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    on p86 (as shown in the excerpt) is the full quote:


    so according to shami, it is impossible to know sharayi ijma'a after the 2nd century; and therefore one cannot claim ijmaa' on any mas'ala/issue that has arisen after the second century hijri.

    i haven't seen the book, but does this mean he does not accept ijma'a as a valid proof for legislation?
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  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    which would imply that this is a team-work rather than saqib's personal"research".

    Even dunyawi researchers have the decency to acknowledge people who help them in their efforts - to the extent that even librarians get mentioned for helping them find a book. But in the obsession to amass facebook-likes this "aarif" cleanly forgot to acknowledge a single person.

    And if this were true - I would lose all faith in these "senior sunni Muftiyan e kiram in India and Pakistan".
  7. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    is that saqib shami's STATEMENT/CONCLUSION or is he just quoting someone else?
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  9. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    speaking of sad al zarai after neutralizing it's effect by making a general allowance to disagree with the verdict is exactly like putting a formidable lock on a door and leaving the key inside it and then boasting about the strength of the lock!!

    to quote a bromide, "it would be laughable if it were not so tragic".
  10. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    From the book:

  11. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    well it turned out that you are a regular.

    so why don't you just scan the book (if you can), and send it by PM to us. I have just sent you a PM that will appear on your inbox on the forum; you can reply to that.

    My REAL name is Aqib Farid alQadri. I am not in the UK.
  12. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    add the following:-

    men wearing gaudy embroidered clothes, looking like women: everyone does it - they still look like men!
    men wearing dupattas: so what, he still looks like a man!
    photography (youtube, TV et al) even when not forced by law: hey, there is ikhtilaaf on this - that digital is NOT considered a photo!!!
    banners and posters with photographs - not digital: this is the need of the times; let's forget the hukm of the hadeeth for the noble cause!
    spending 2 hours doing make-up to appear before TV; aw - come-on! this is part of the job!.
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  13. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I am not replying to @Rizvi_Qadri anymore. I have come to believe that he is saqib's PR agent.

    Even if not, I cannot beat sense into indoctrinated humanoids.

    Alahazrat ('alayhirraHmah) gave up, who am I?
  14. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I cannot accept that any self-respecting muslim will attend such concerts let alone ibn aabideen and Imam nablusi. This iftira will cost saqib dearly.

    This is what alahazrat writes - and quotes from authorities:


    This is the real usul. The citadel of our deen - against those who wish to render it a toothless and a mere whimsical philosophy.

    This is the Islam I signed up for. If I wanted to believe in fairy tales I would have been spoilt for choice.

    If you cannot appreciate the depth and strength of this argument - then shed a few tears of grief over your misfortune.
  15. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    next time you attend saqib's "iHya al hawaa wa mawt al qulub" gathering do tell him from me that he should fear lest the retribution comes sooner than it seems.

    what right does he have to call them deviants?

    ask saqib which year did the ijma' on madhaahib al arba' take place? Imam Ahmed bin hanbal passed away in 240 AH. And per claim ijma' ummat ended with 200 A.H.

    Surely this ijma' does not qualify as ijma' e ummat.
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  16. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    This is another one of his concocted "usul". I like to compare it to the Schrödinger's cat paradox.

    According to this usul the actual status of a person is indeterminate. He is both fasiq as well as not not-fasiq. Depending on the mufti you put the question to. All faatwa are general and free-floating candies - you can take your pick and no need to fear anything.

    This is debunked by the fatwa in post#25. But understanding cannot be expected of humanoids bred in cult ovens.

    As alahazrat says: "hawaa e nafs ka ilaaj kiske paas hai" - "who has the cure for desires of the nafs"?
  17. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    just look at this nonsense.

    which wahabi argues thus? give me his name I would like to congratulate him. He would have to be an unbelievably fair person or out of his mind.

    No wahhabi in his proper mind would concede that alahazrat rules qawwali haram - it is much easier to pretend that all baraylwis are disco dancers, music maniacs. And they do.

    And guess who helps them convince the neutrals that baraiylwis are baja-gaja-dhun-dhun bid'atis? Why, the likes of saqib shaami. surprise!

    So by setting up a straw-man and proceeding to burn it with distorted "usul" - saqib shaami expects to earn credibility and sympathy despite his aberrations?
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  18. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    though I would not encourage anyone to buy the book, I'd say that the section on shubhaat is worth a look - borrow it if you can and even if nothing else, do read that section.

    It shows how a machiavellian mind works.

    Misquoting and turning principles on their heads - that is the paradigm this book follows with a religious fervor.
  19. Nawazuddin

    Nawazuddin Veteran

    someone handed me the booklet in Birmingham and when I had a look at the title, it prominently stated the fabricated hadith: ikhtilafo ummati rahmatun. I returned it to the chap and said that if the author makes the pitch of his booklet a fabricated hadith then I could only guess, whats inside it.
  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the book is for specialists and scholars. not for common folk. please don't complicate things.
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