Covid vaccine

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Khanah, Feb 13, 2021.

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  1. Alf

    Alf Active Member

  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

     
  5. Alf

    Alf Active Member

  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  7. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Well-Known Member

  8. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Well-Known Member


    I don’t have fb either. I’m assuming, when using a computer, the link won’t be viewable unless logged in.

    For me, the link opens on my iPhone safari browser even if not logged in. Perhaps you can try this option?
     
  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Can we see it elsewhere without logging in to fb, for the fb-challenged?
     
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  11. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Well-Known Member

  12. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/bill-gates-omicron

    Bill gates' incessant meddling in matters of public health and talking as if he owns the WHO (specifically, pandemic related) certainly doesn't help subvert the accusations of the conspiracy theorists.

    You don't have to subscribe to the conspiracy theories, or the mainstream narrative. The truth might as be stranger and different than the both of them!
     
  13. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    Very interesting video. It looks like it is a public forum for people to express their concerns before a final decision is made by the FDA. It doesn’t mean that all of these concerns can necessarily be generalised to the population as a whole.

    Example: a study might show that a vaccine has a high mortality rate (which scientists could point out to the FDA) but on further inspection, there could have been other confounding variables that skewed the results, therefore reducing its validity and making it not applicable to the general population.
     
  14. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    My only argument was that the testing phase was expedited.
    We don't know what the long term side effects could be. Not enough data or trails to rely on.
    We have already seen many cases of blood clots being reported and there have also been concerns regarding myocarditis in vaccinated people.
     
  15. Ashrafi1

    Ashrafi1 New Member

    ~ 4:30:00: Assoc. Prof in Pharmacy from the University of Maryland and editor at the BMJ:
    • Pfizer prior trials did not have randomized controls.
    • Pfizer's (then) upcoming booster trials are problematic b/c they use healthy adults who volunteer and the n value (how many participants are in the study) is too low, and doesn't adequately address how the booster would deal with those who had adverse reactions.
    • The trial for the booster is unlikely to detect adverse reactions.
    • Concerns about revocation of medical licenses due to spreading 'medical misinformation' (thus, there would appear to be a concern about a filtering out of vaccine-critical voices in the medical field and that the aforementioned 'majority' is a conveniently selected one).
    ~ 4:33:40: Doc. who's director Health Research Group
    • Lack of data of effectiveness on boosters in preventing COVID-related outcomes in those 16+.
    • He's pro-vax but is skeptical about the need for boosters.
     
  16. Ashrafi1

    Ashrafi1 New Member

    This is pretty surprising that this is coming from the FDA's discussions itself: 4:20:00 onwards
     
  17. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    You don’t post a fact for no reason. You post a fact to support an argument. What is your argument then?
     
  18. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    Bro, you're fighting an imaginary war. I've not stopped anyone from taking the vaccines.
    Read my messages again.
    Everyone is free to do what they please. I just stated some facts, thats all.
    Stating facts regarding survival rates means I have no sympathy and I don't care? How did you extrapolate that?
    No need to play the emotional card.
    The survival rates are actually higher than 90%.
    Wassalaam.
     
  19. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    This is my last response to you. the majority of medically trained people and scientists are telling you to take the vaccine and you’re relying on a few people who are sceptical. That is the definition of an outlier opinion.

    If you agree that the harms do not outweigh the benefit then we can conclude that there is no problem in taking the vaccine.

    You’re saying that you don’t care if approximately 10% of the population dies when they could have taken a vaccine that would have reduced that number by a lot. You’ve got no sympathy towards people.

    Also no sympathy towards people who have had Covid and ended up in critical care, suffering. Or the lives that have been lost, and these people’s families.

    Salaam.
     
  20. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    I've not expressed any 'outlier opinions'.
    Neither did I make any claims regarding its harms outweighing its benefits, so I don't need to bring any proof.
    Covid survival rates are over 90% (im pretty sure you can verify this).
    Also, the UK Gov (PHE) declared Covid as a non HCID.
     

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