Dawat e Islami refuting deviants

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  1. Hanafi Sunni

    Hanafi Sunni Well-Known Member

    Half the people dont know how to read urdu. And Ālahazrat urdu is on another level.

    Its good they published These books on their site. But how many will actually read them.

    Openly changing the Mujaddids kalaam is not the way. This is open disrespect to Alahazrat.

    Talking about being happy the way DI works i.e. not making open radd. Many sunni ulama lately are ffg this DI policy of not making radd openly and lets say the entire Ahlus sunnah stops making open radd of deviants. What will happen? In the next 10 years a massive surge in Sullh kulliyat will take place.

    As you can Shaykh Asrar sahab lately giving advice to a ordinary laymen allowing him to pray behind a deviant as he is unaware of his aqeeda. See im not arguing whether Shaykh asrar is right or wrong. But if this continues, in the next 10 years people will become become sullah kulli, as these deviants are very cunning and with their sweet words will create space in a sunnis heart.

    We already know the threat of Sweet speakers such as Tariq jameel Menk Nouman etc. So many sunni have really become "deos" just by listening to these guys and thinking Deos and tablighis and wahabis are actually good people.

    My point is why didnt dawate islami publish an english copy of Hussam or a booklet in english openly naming these deviants.

    Since they are a massive sunni organisation, and many sunnis are being inspired by their works, what are they actually teaching other sunnis?
    To keep quiet on deviants? And this is apparent by their changing kalaams of Alahazrat and not only this.

    Or show me they darul ifta books where they have actually answered a deobandi question? Or wahabi belief question?

    See im happy with ground work of DI i.e. instilling love of Allah and his Rasool ﷺ inviting towards salah etc. But i feel if they continue doing this and if sunni ulama keep imitating this DI position then really we opening a massive hole of Sullah Kulliyat here.

    The Quraan Hadith openly refute a deviant. Why cant they?

    If Alahazrat didnt openly refute these guys. Where would Ahlus Sunnah be today? They need to really work on this.

    They have other blunders on youtube. Comparing Malwana Ilyas Attari to Gause paak etc. Of course they clarified later, but its mostly about them and their Shaykh.

    Also Malwana ilyas attari Hajj documentary. Yes it was done for educational purposes. But in a musjid are we really allowed to speak?
    Now they get a video guy, walking backwards which i feel is total disrespect of Haramayn shareef with camera recording every incident. Is this respect?

    The way i see sunnis see things now is. If you 70 percent correct, or you doing some good work, lets ignore their wrongs and and turn a blind eye to important issues.

    See im not opposing DI. I just dont like the way they work. Every small thing, lets take out video and start recording. Come on there a limit to everything.

    Read Mawlana abdul Hadis travelogue of Huzoor Mufti E Aazam hind travel to Haram shareef. How they were so careful in everything they did in the blessed lands.

    In india Ulama really did ground work. Mufti Jalaaludeen ahmed amjadi, Mufti Ahmed yaar khan naeemi etc really openly refuted deviants, not only did they publish books but even in their fatawa, and dawah openly refuted these deviants. Its the way of the Awliyah.

    Think long term. Should an organisation which is sunni and a role model for sunnis be setting such an example?

    Yet deobandis even on youtube and and some tv channels openly Drill sunnis for grave worshipping openly and other practises.
     
  2. Adham12

    Adham12 Active Member

    I grew up around DI environment. I commend them for their work and again it was just a clarification based on what Mawlana Aqdas wrote. I am no one to kick someone out of Sunniyat nor was I implying or intending to ask questions for that reason.
     
  3. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    They are clearly openly refuting deviants. If you publish books and make them publicly available, advertise them, tell your followers to read them- that's clear and in the open.

    They would be secretly refuting them if they did it behind closed doors between themselves or person to person. This is clearly not the case.

    Sure, maybe they are not refuting them on TV- this is not the same as not openly refuting them as TV is not the only medium through which refutation is OPENLY carried out.
     
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  4. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    What's the issue if they're not doing it openly the way you want?

    They're more than fulfilling the obligation upon them by doing things the way they are. I suppose if you're the type whos always going to have it in for them then there's no pleasing you whatever they choose to do.
     
  5. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    The question is how does the said change of the word in question make them non Sunni and how is it in any way shape or form promoting the najdiyya?

    My understanding of the reasoning behind it is when DI Mubalighs recite it they recite Munkir because they are a international sunni organizations who are also doing work in Makkah and Madina Sharif and do not want a clip of them using the word Najdi to impact and end that good work. Makes sense to me tbh and we should all be wise and mature enough to see the bigger picture.

    If you were to read their publication of Hadaiq e Bakhshish by Maktaba-tul-Madinah or download it in playstore you will see they haven't changed the word in the book, it still says Najdi.

    https://www.dawateislami.net/downloads/islamic-apps/kalam-e-ala-hazrat

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  6. Adham12

    Adham12 Active Member

    Astaghfirullah. Why would you even jump to that conclusion? I was just seeking a clarification based on what Mawlana Aqdas categorised. The words that are being changed are “Wahabi” “Deobandi” etc on their platform from the Kalam ul Imam. I’m sure A’lahazrat would perfectly be fine with it. If they are promoting the kitabs of A’lahazrat in their Shajra Sharif then what’s the issue with openly doing radd by their name?
     
  7. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    Does changing words in a naat make someone a sulh kulli?

    People who nit pick on dawat e Islami are a joke. Whilst so called scholars are running around dedicating half their speeches to proving that holding a khatam for the deceased is permissible, the layman is singing kufriyyah songs, watching kufriyyah tv shows and movies, idolising fake Muslims who perform poojah on film, denying hadith due to what their nafs says as opposed to any scholarly evaluation, pretending to be Qadiyani on visa application forms in order to come and live in the West for monetary gain, don't know the basics of wudu or ghusl, don't know that their tajweed is wrong (i.e. have compound ignorance), never read a book of aqeedah (like the Tahawiyyah) in their lives, don't know the difference between a real shaykh and a milkshake, etc.

    Dawat e Islami is at the forefront of tackling these kinds of MAJOR issues. But the typical pir wants to talk about side issues and criticise them for TV/photos (which is clearly a difference of opinion in the first place).

    They may as well be debating whether mermaids are halal to eat or not whilst the mongols pillage their cities- as the historical analogy goes.

    I'm not a part of dawat e Islami nor do I attend their events- doesn't change the fact that it's my own loss as opposed to theirs. I would even go so far as to say, if mawlana Ilyas isn't a mujdadid, then I don't know what one looks like.
     
  8. Adham12

    Adham12 Active Member

    What about changing of certain words in Kalams of Hadaiq e Bakhshish?

    Example:
     
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    not doing radd openly
    is not the same as
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    as for dawate islami - you can find tamhid e eeman, husam al-haramayn, and dozens of alahazrat's books on their website, by the maktabah and alahazrat and his khulafa mentioned celebrated all the time on madani channel.

    find me one devbandi who gets 2 minute space on dawate islami platforms.
     
  10. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

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    In the Madani In'amat booklet written by Ameer-e-Dawat-e-islami Maulana Ilyas Attar Qadiri the command from the Shaykh is that for the protection of their Imaan his Mureeds & all Sunni laypersons must read Tamĥīd-ul-Īmān and Husām-ul-Haramayn written by A’lā Hazrat رحمةالله عليه and Kufriyaĥ Kalimāt kay bāray mayn Suwāl Jawāb by Maktaba-tul-Madinaĥ
     
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  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    No.

    Dawat e Islami publish and recommend books like Bahar e Shariat, Tamhid e Iman and Husam al-Haramayn.
     
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2021
  12. Adham12

    Adham12 Active Member

    Mawlana Aqdas,

    What about Dawateislami? Would they fall under Muharramat since they don’t openly do radd of deviants?
     

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