Dawate Islami refutes the Tafdilis - they are deviants from ahl al-sunna

i am beginning to suspect a troll.

 

Naqshbandijamaati, I just want to know why Di gave fatwa against Tafdilis who also follow Ala Hazrat and all other Auliyas but they are silent at those who are calling Ala Hazrat kafir and are bombing the graves of Auliyas. Sorry to say but this is nothing to do with Hz Irfan Shah and I hadn't even heard of him before Ummah Channel. And if you thinking someone doesn't have a probably with their aqeedah when they bomb graves of Auliyas you need to learn basic Sunni beliefs properly.

Who is GFH?? I like Prof Saab because our Murshid said he was mujaddid and would lead the Ummat and I beleive everything he says.

If you think Di are the best why do you call yourself Naqshbandi Jamaati?

Sorry but I'm getting fed up of Sunnis jumping v fast to attack other peers and Ulemas but are scared and silent when it comes to other who are saying much worse on record.

 

hayaa
AOA. with all due respect it is a little sad to see you harping on about the fatwas against tehreek e taliban etc. i dont know of any Sunni groups which have NOT criticised these deobandi terror groups. Almost all Deobandi maulvis call ala hazrat kafir when they are amongst their own followers so how many are you going to shut up? People like Sayyid Irfan Shah sahib have been criticising these Deobandi and Wahabi mullahs for far longer than Prof. Sahib has and, if we're to be completely honest, our major problem with them has always primarily been their deviation in aqeedah especially on issues related to our Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, as it should be. Terrorism in Pakistan is actually quite a recent phenomenon and everyone condemns it from amongst the Sunnis.

Just because Prof Sahib has got a lot of media coverage for his fatwa (which was good*) it doesnt suddenly become the only yardstick to measure a scholar's worth with.
*I hate Wahabis as much, if not more than, the next person, and Deos too, and totally oppose terrorism in all its forms but is the Prof. ruling that such attacks take one out of Islam supported by other Sunni scholars of yore or is it his own ijtihad ? I ask in all innocence because I always believed that the Sunni Hanafi position was that no ACT (amal) however sinful, per se, can take one out of Islam. There is the famous story, perhaps apocryphal, about when Imam e Azam was arguing with some other scholars and he said something to the effect that even if someone sleeps with their mother, then murders her, and then drinks wine from her skull, he will still not go out of the pale of Islam as long as he believes these are sinful acts. It was the khawarij who believed a sin took one out of Islam not the Ahle Sunnah.


This fatwa doesnt negate the fact that he has said problematic things in the past, not least his book about Ghadir which smacked of Tafdilism and which Shaykh GFH criticised as being "crypto Shii" or his declaration that the the supremacy of Hazrat Abu Bakr was only in temporal and wordly matters whereas Hazrat Ali was the spiritual caliph and other such gobbledygook and his alleged sanads of hadith. Allahu alam.

Personally, I think that the safest Sunni group and the one that have done the most work to actually promote Sunnah and sahih aqidah are Dawate Islami. You dont have to agree with me.

 

Dawate Islami gives fatwa on Tafdilis but where is there fatwa on Tehreek Taliban and the maulanas who are calling Ala Hazrat Kaafir?

They also look like they don't know their priorities.

 

Both Sheikh Babikir and Sheikh Al Yazdani are amazing and Sunnis. Both of them been on Islam Channel even tho it is a Salafi channel. Sheikh Babikir does Dalail Ul Khairat classes and is v good leading brothers hadra.

There are Minhaj Ul Quran Alimas who are v good but they are so far.

 

I am not sure who Shaykh Babikir is, but as for Shaykh Yazdani........if you are referring to Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yazdani Raza Misbahi, his study circles are extremely beneficial and rewarding. He is amongst the reliable English Speaking Sunni Scholars in the South of the country......whereas all the others seem to be concentrated up north Please correct me if I am wrong as I too am learning.

A short biography:
http://www.gateway2010.co.uk/shaykh-muhammad-yazdani-raza-misbahi.html

JZK.

 

i was talking about tv programs and the driving factors behind having a sisters program. there is a difference between doing something for a solid reason and doing it just because everyone else is doing it (and that is what i meant by stating people's euphemisms of "being in tune with the times").

your comparison therefore, is not one of apples with apples, as anonymous textual online posts can't be compared to television broadcasts.

i can't comment on the rest of what you are saying because i don't live in the uk, but this is something i have a major grouse with too, if you know some of my previous posts.

you're right, they shouldn't, if the mentioned people are proper Sunnis (i don't know about them). it's not about political point scoring and ego trips. other than specific aspects of practicing different turuq like adhkar, spiritual exercises etc, where a person should only take instructions from his/her murshid, all Sunnis should support and participate in each others knowledge circles. anyone who draws a face at such is only hurting the cause of Sunni-ism.

we need more "proper study circles" (very good choice of words) in Sunni societies worldwide as opposed to uncle jee and aunty jee sessions of half knowledge and full halwa.

 

Can someone get the Di fatwa on Tehreek Taliban, Masood Azhar and Sufi Muhammad plz because they are doing bombings everywhere. This is also important issue.

 

Abdul Qadir, the same goes for posting messages on forums to be 'in tune with the times.'

If what your saying is true then that is good but the Madni Sisters house programs I know had aunty jees reciting Quran like Urdu and reading aunty jee stories having no Quran and Hadeeth. They did read naaths v nicely.

If this is the case ppl shouldn't get upset if sisters attend Sheikh Babikirs or Sheikh Yazdanis proper study circles.

 

I think hayaa is confused. Dawateislami is one of the
Few sunni orgs that empasise islamic knowledge
And tajweed. In uk dawateislami sisters have tajweed lessons
On daily basis. Don't get dawateislami confused
With other sunni organisations who have aunti jees runnin
The show.

 

In Birmingham its every Sunday at 2 in Faizan e Madinah (Bordesley Green), and every Sunday at 2:30 in Raza Masjid (Aston).

 

furthermore, the need/desire for any programs by anyone (men/women/children/slaves) should be based on a solid Islamic reason/purpose as opposed to just being "in tune with the times" or to appease new-age Islamic feminists or just because everyone else is doing it and so on (not suggesting that's why you are enquiring about it).

if that particular reason/purpose is being catered to by the existing broadcasts, then really the need to have a women' show cater to the same purpose is redundant and only for the purpose of appeasing the new age Islamic feminists.

your question will be best answered by a DI mufti once you present him a specific scenario you'd like to see addressed by a sisters show.

 

So Abu Fadl,

Are Dawate Islami correct in their view or not?

YES OR NO?

 

a mufti is not obligated to give proofs to the awam. he may just give the summary ruling. you are very welcome to ask them the detailed proofs if you don't trust them. this is a standard practice across sects, be it Sunnis or nonSunnis. i doubt 90% of us would even know the primary proofs for the way we perform salah. Sure a mufti might cite a major book within the madhab like Nur al-Idah or Durr al-Mukhtar for Hanafis, but the fatwa still might not contain the core primary proofs.

I heard on Madani TV last year Sheikh Ilyas Attar hafizdhahullaah himself saying that if ever the government asks them to show women, they would return the license for it.

Qtv obviously feels differently about women's programs.

Someone who knows DI's official fiqhi position on hijabi women on tv, can please share it here.

alhamdulillaah you won't get that with DI, officially at least. I was ecstatic to see some young girls trained in DI schools in Karachi who could read the Quran with excellent pronunciation and tajweed, unlike regular desis urdu style. They could masha Allah sing na'ts in proper Arabic too. Was an absolute delight and a heart warmer. Also, DI is one of the few people who actually propagate REAL shar'iy purdah as opposed to the desi "shalwar kameez is purdah" mantra that is popular in, sorry to say Sunni women, much much more than desi deobandiyaat and wahabiyyaat.

 

I heard their Ulemas on Madni Channel and it was lacking proofs. Anyway, where are the womens programs happening and I don't want aunty jees who read Quran in Urdu style.

Can you ask Dawate Islamis view on Maulana Masood Azhar who said suicide bombing is allowed. I posted his video but someone has deleted it. They deleted the same from deenport and now its removed from here like everyone is scared of them.

On deenport Haroon Ravatt, Jahan Mahmood and Abdullah Kankohi wouldn't tell me what they thought of Tehreek Taliban, Masood Azhar and Sufi Muhammad. Because they are Deobandi and faithful to their maulanas. But out ppl just like refuting each other and have no time for anything else.

 

I have heard that there are actually more sisters DI weekly gatherings in the UK than brothers!!!

As for your second point, you obviously haven't heard the Ulema of DI speak. See this talk by Allama Qamar, for example:

1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waMSSDAS60U
2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJPFx9kMD4U&feature=related
3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFcsnMB4Sig&feature=related
4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA0SbMH1oYo&feature=related

 

Indeed DI are very active when it comes engaging with sisters BUT they are VERY strict on pardah thus you will never see, for example madani channel relaying any broadcast any programme involving women. But this is amongst the many favours Maulana Ilyas has done the ummah, the amount of sisters who previouly neglected pardah just on hearing the lectures of Ameere DI were inspired to wear the niqaab and do shar'i pardah alhamdulillah. One cannot underestimate the work they have done in reviving the basics and sunnat amongst the masses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqVMW2QKUTw

 

Dawat-e-Islami has hundreds of thousands of Islamic sisters working for the Qur'an and Sunnah! In UK alone there are weekly sisters ijtimas in nearly every city - these ijtimas are organised and ran by women.

Quote more hadith? are you for real?

 

I like Dawate Islami and their work. They also sound v humble.

If there are any followers they need to include in their groups some women and try to quote more Hadeeths with references and classical scholars so that their lectures become more acceptable.

But they shouldn't get involved in maulanas cursing each other. Just stick to your work and don't poke your nose in things that are not your business.

 

Abu Fadl,

You seem to have avoided the question and diverted the topic!