Deobandis and ilm al ghayb

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    brother, i was telling zameel. apologies if it appeared to be directed towards you.
     
  2. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    The Mufti whose video i posted below, is an expert on the topic of khatme nabuwwat. He has many videos going into much detail explaining many salient points. He mostly focuses on debating and refuting Qadianis. This video just came out very recently.
     
  3. Abdullah Ahmed

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  4. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    Just as a note - I do attest to the fatwa Hussam al-Haramayn of A`alahazrat Sayyidina Imam Ahmad Rida قدس الله سره and consider Ashraf Ali, Khalil Ahmad, Rashid Ahmad, and Qasim Nanotawi as kafir.

    I only asked because I am trying to write responses to these articles
     
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    nanotwi was a kafir (unless he repented for his kufri ibarat secretly before he died).

    go hang yourself now.
     
  6. AR Ahmed

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  7. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    He's not interested in giving dawah. Hes interested in patting himself on the back and constantly reassuring himself that his elders (and himself) are not deviated gustakh kafir shayateen. And he doesnt care how he does it; even if done at the expense of the honor of the true Ulema, Awliyaa and even the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam) himself.

    Its very strange and ironic that he does gustakhi itself to try and prove to himself and others that he (and his elders) are not gustakh.
     
  8. In his desperation to refute Sunnis all his adab has taken a back seat while the heaviest thing on the scales will be and is this- Adab. If only he could see the Sunnah in all of what he is trying to do, namely to hold Mercy and compassion for the well being of a the person he is refuting as central. Holding in one's heart care for the person's well being so he is saved from Allah's punishment is the spirit of Dawah.

    "Now hath come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves: it grieves him that ye should perish: ardently anxious is he over you: to the Believers is he most kind and merciful." (9:128)
     
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    zaleel ki qismat ki zillat hi hai, afsos us ke wujud par

    zameel devbandi is worse than macron - the latter is a kafir, but the former is a devil claiming to be a follower.
    tuff hai, khabees mardud par.

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    fazl kaTey, zikr roke, ayb ka juyan rahe
    phir kahe mardak, ke hun ummat RasulAllah ki SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.
     
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  10. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    Zaleel says:

    "However, the Prophet (ṣallAllāhu ‘alayhi wasallam) said: “Ask me whatever you wish”, not because he possessed knowledge of everything in creation, but out of anger. He was angry with being asked a lot of useless questions."

    In the below posted scans, Shaykh Sirajeldin mentions the hadith regarding "Ask me.." specifically regarding the knowledge of the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam). And furthermore, the knowledge of "everything in creation" is only a drop in the ocean of the knowledge of the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam) as mentioned by Imam Al-Busairi and others.
     
  11. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    This is from Shaykh Abdullah Sirajeldin's book:


    سيدنا محمد رسول الله صلى الله عليه و أله و سلم شمائله الحميدة, خصاله المجيدة

    Is Zaleel a bigger scholar than Shaykh Abdullah Sirajeldin?
     
  12. Abdullah Ahmed

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  13. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    و علمك ما لم تكن تعلم و كان فضل الله عليك عظيما
     
  14. AR Ahmed

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