مدینہ جان جنان و جہاں ہے وہ سن لیں جنھیں جنون جناں سوئے زاغ لے کے چلے - امام اہل سنت اعلیٰ حضرت امام احمد رضا خان بریلوی
zameel deobandi doesn't discuss about this type of crow mentioned in hanafi fiqh manuals قال: ولا بأس بغراب الزرع لأنه يأكل الحب ولا يأكل الجيف، وليس من سباع الطير. this is what we know, and deobandis include all types of crows, so zameel needs to reply why in the hanafi texts they have specifically mentioned crow that only eats seeds. zameel deobandit is funny when he says: "would not make sense" and wrote the updates on his blog, begs a question: who eats crows in the indian sub-continent or muslim world? ------- MOD: i have deleted the copy-paste from zameel's blog. just leave a link. please do not lazily copy walls of text without labeling it. i was quickly scrolling through and was looking for your comments if any. then i realised that it was copy-paste. if you are eager to share something, share the link. if you wish to comment on something "QUOTE" the specific paragraph. pasting walls of text, for users to decipher, is laziness and lack of respect towards users.
i wanted to work on the fiqh reference zameel provided, but had to take a detour to show the shoddy his research and citation skills he proudly displays on his third-rate website. the only thing he probably knows, is to hunt for keywords on a search engine, and if he finds something agreeable to his view, he dresses up the citation to suit his purpose, often distorting the original source. in sha'Allah, we need to examine the fiqh citations as well.
desperate to cling to something, zameel finds a magazine article that he thinks will work as a fig leaf for his idiocy. zameel's 'source' mentions another source [the study] which is unreachable. i found another source that cited the study, but i couldn't locate the study itself. but it is ok for zameel to rule it halal. a google search handed him an internet source and he will close his eyes - like his blind gangohi - and feed crows to unsuspecting muslims. --- so i went to the source (authors: kumar and ojha, published 17th november 2021) this is a paper by the same authors i have cited earlier - except that this is an earlier paper (2021) and the later paper (2022) has much detailed analysis of feeding habits. look at the graphs in the later paper. the later source (authors: kumar and ojha, published online 22nd november 2022) the following is a systematic study by alam and nooralam - albeit the study is around the urban habitat of kolkata. whereas the other source is not a scientific study as noted by the author of the article himself. --- both papers are by the same authors; however, these are two different papers not merely different versions of the same paper. zameel is satisfied by a very general observation: "In an indirect estimation a House crow eats about 300gm of food daily [17]. Most of it is in the form of food scrap." the source [17] mentioned is: Sen S. In praise of crows; 2011. Available: http://birdsofindiassen.blogspot.in/2011/08/inpraise however, there is a typo in the URL. the correct URL is as below: https://birdsofindia-ssen.blogspot.com/2011/08/in-praise-of-crows.html this article starts with a disclaimer: verification, research, look-up, etc are not the forte of devbandis. they blindly accept anything their elders have said, and will even sacrifice their iman to defend it. this is the level of devbandi tafaqquh. this exercise is just to prove a point; mainly because zameel's angst is against alahazrat, and he set out to take potshots at the imam. so he is willing to base his fatwa on conjecture. initially, he just posited his assumption (i am wont to think that he didn't even know that such detailed studies are conducted by specialists) and after realising that scientific studies could be consulted in such issues, he hastily did a search and picked whatever that he felt suited his view and that was enough for him. clearly he didn't even read the paper he has cited! going forward the same source estimates that 225g of 300g is from trash. another thing zameel is ignorant of - or deliberately ignores - is the place of feeding. while he sings praises on the 'pure' food of his beloved crow, he doesn't say that it also comes from rummaging in garbage. again the same source cited by zameel (2021 paper): Food preference to these feeding items has been quantified by counting the House crows to feed upon. Amount of food items have been quantified indirectly with the help of information provided by municipal workers, meat/fish shopkeepers, persons offering food to House crows and other local public. Dumping sites mostly have human refuses and other organic/in organic waste. Cultural/ religious places were observed to have various ritual wastes either organic (Specific food offered, Body remains after cremation, flowers etc.) and/or inorganic (e.g. Clothes). Fish/meat market mostly has slaughter wastes. Residential and commercial area mainly harbor human refuses/kitchen left over while public park / road side observed to have feeding material of human refuses/carcasses and plant products. and notice the number of regular and not regular feeding sites. but it is ok. zameel is not looking at the highlighted sites - because he has convinced himself that crows feed on "pure" things. the love of the crow, makes one blind to its flaws; and blind following of the fatwa of the blind lover of the crow. nas'alu Allah al-aafiyah. ===== next week: crow biryani in devbandi langar.
i was a bit busy last week and i thought of following with my claim to show zameel's dishonesty in quoting atqani - and i felt, he might have responded to my post on his favourite food - the crow. well he has 2 updates. one insisting that his insert mostly is correct. and the other trying to prove that american crows eat grain. the shameless zindiq - attacked alahazrat for his fatwa on crow - which the blind gangohi made permissible for zameel. was gangohi living in america? was alahazrat talking of american crows? he had no clue of how to approach the problem, and he was blindly following his blind shaykh. when i demonstrated how to examine the problem, how and where to look for data, he has tried to do that and then selected a few lines that support his (stupid) view that crows eat mostly grain etc. this is the curse of being a devbandi. refusal to accept the truth even when it hits you in the face. nas'alu Allah al-aafiyah. alHamdulillah, for protecting us from being crow-eating devbandis. ==== since he had to support his theory of 'mostly' carrion, he came up with a webpage that says: so it doesn't matter if it is rubbish or whatever, but since the webpage quoted a source saying 72% plant matter, zameel stumbled upon HIS nass e qatiyi to exonerate the incorrect fatwa, that crow is halal, and he blindly accepts it. does he not fear Allah ta'ala? sub'HanAllah. in that 72% - it can be from rubbish and anything. but the devbandi has proved the truth of the portion of the verse: ٱلۡخَبِیثَـٰتُ لِلۡخَبِیثِینَ filthy things for filthy people [the context of the verse is filthy women for filthy men; but it is used as a generic comment based on its literal meaning]. anyway, in the "source" he has mentioned, true to his filthy nature, he has selectively quoted what suits his crow-philia [corvusphilia]. in the next paragraph in the very source, it says that consumption patterns are not static: they feed on opportunities as they arise and their diet varies by season and location. but the 72% coupled with his own usul, that "mostly" carrion, gives him the mandate to permit all crows as halal. especially the indian house crow which gangohi was so fond of and devbandis cannot resist. zameel clarifies that 'animal matter' that his beloved crow eats is also pure. no one can beat a devbandi in lying, misquoting and distorting quotes. devbandis should admit that they have no reasoning ability. look at the insane generalisation. he so innocently lists FOUR items, leaving out other things and generalises that it is mostly pure. now the question for zameel is the "pure" matter from the 28% is 2% or 26%? let us go to the same source you have quoted. i have highlighted the ones you mentioned in red - while the source mentions many more. [i have removed additional information from the quote to keep it as a list] Insects Amphibians and Reptiles: Turtles in all stages of life — eggs, hatchlings, adults; snakes, lizards, frogs, and toads. Bird Eggs Birds: Crows don't only eat bird eggs: They also hunt nestlings, fledglings, and adults of at least several species of birds (including European Starlings and House Sparrows) Mammals: small mammals, including deer mice, voles, bats, and shrews. Fish Mollusks Carrion: animal carcasses, including roadkill. so zameel should identify which is the "majority" component of the 28%. ---- he writes as if he has actual data on what they "mostly" eat, and what they don't. what kind of fiqh is this? who makes a rule on exceptions? instead of misguiding people, zameel should publicly hold a crow biryani gathering and invite all his devbandi elders, to prove a point that they really believe it to be halal. even swine-eaters appear to squirm at the disgusting thought of eating crows. laa Hawla wa laa quwwata illa billah. the source that zameel pointed to: https://abcbirds.org/blog21/what-do-crows-eat/ the above says that they eat carcasses - but zameel has inserted his "mostly" carrion, so it is swept under the carpet. frogs, snakes, carrion, dung - is all pure matter for the crow loving devbandi.
more information on two main species of crows in india: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_jungle_crow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_crow ==== source: https://app.birda.org/species-guide/22639/House_Crow === another source: https://animalia.bio/house-crow?environment=52 small mammals = mostly rats ===
if zameel says - his crow is a different kind. then let him tell us which of these is the crow gangohi was talking about. and proof of distribution in north india. and from the 1900s if possible. https://www.bioexplorer.net/animals/birds/crows/#Pied_Crow https://animalia.bio/lists/crows --- our argument - as alahazrat comprehensively refuted the idiots who think that reading in a book is sufficient for tafaqquh 120 years ago. but fools never got the opportunity to jump out of their cesspool.
i also came across this source - the abstract is enough for our purpose: https://jabonline.in/abstract.php?article_id=846 full pdf of the article (hadn't noticed) https://jabonline.in/admin/php/uploads/846_pdf.pdf ---- look at the kinds of foods the crow eats and the places where it forages with other animals: the great deobandi ornithologist claimed that the crows do not mostly feed on filth and carrion. mites on body of domestic animals - i.e. dogs and cats cow dung carcasses ----- and these yahoos dream of refuting alahazrat's tafaqquh. tribute to zameel's confidence that crows do not eat filth or in filthy places:
another important reason why salim ali is important source is because zameel cannot brush him off as - oh but not the crows near deoband or gangoh. notice how he lists the indian name: kavva. jin ko shirini e milad say ghin aati hai aankh kay andhay unhen kavva khilaa jatay hain. btw, if deobandis so love this kavva, they can take tips here, someone who shares their tastes: https://www.themeateater.com/cook/cooking-techniques/i-ate-crow --- laa hawla wa laa quwwata illa billah.
the younger ones among you may not know, that salim ali was india's famous ornithologist. his book "birds of india" is deemed a classic. this is from the eleventh edition in 1979. the house crow eats anything: dead sewer rat, offal, carrion, locusts, termites, refuse this is not my opinion. this is the observation of india's celebrated ornithologist. but zameel will insist that this crow that he and his sect promotes does not fall under (mostly) eating carrion. as if devbandis did a survey of 1000 crows and mapped their eating habits for 30 days and then decided. oh, this mostly feeds on seeds. --- from the same book:
zameel's favourite food (not that in the bird's mouth - because he acknowledges that it is haram too):
there are a number of subspecies in the corvus family: source: https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/search/?q=Corvus+splendens some are: when you scroll down on the page, there are links for various 'models'. so we select "house crow" corvus splendens and select data for india: source: https://ebird.org/species/houcro1/IN the distribution shows thus: clearly the predominant crow - in india is the house crow. ----- source: https://species.biodiversityireland.ie/profile.php?taxonId=187106 this source is irish, but the study is generic. the significant portion of the house crow's diet is carrion and human refuse. ===== this one is not an NGO. but has useful info on house crows: source: https://aviancontrolinc.com/what-do-crows-eat/
so let us take zameel's key premise: there is nothing about the "crow species" it "all boils down to the diet." --- a researcher would ask these questions among others: 1. what are the different species of crows? 2. who describes these species, their habits etc. and what is the basis for their descriptions? 3. did someone do a scientific study about birds and after observing many samples over a period of time noted their observations? (hint: ornithology is a highly developed science) 4. what are the kinds of crows found in india? 5. what were the kinds of crows found in early 1900s in north india? 6. what are the eating habits of crows found in india? ===== in the early 1900s as of now, the house crow and the jungle crow were the predominant types of crows - as they are even today. india is home to the largest population of crows (i.e. after humans). this bird is known as kavva in urdu, ghuraab in arabic, zaagh in farsi and in arabic. the primary diet of these two species is carrion, small animals, rodents and human refuse. while he cites various texts (which we will examine, in sha'ALlah) - he must examine this against his own criterion. obviously, gangohi was no bird-watcher and whatever he might have said about "crows in these parts" is merely an assumption. just like zameel's own assumption that these crows do not feed on mostly on carrion and filth. ---- let us first look at some stats. source: https://worldostats.com/country-stats/crow-population-by-country/ ---
so zameel says: i would like to know which part of the arabic is (mostly) which zameel has inserted in the text. we will see his shameless deception in citing this source, but for the moment, let us move on. but the reader should not forget my description of this wretched liar, whose only objective in life is to try to absolve the crimes of his devbandi elders. this is the reason why this man evokes disgust. for now, let us see his tafaqquh: in the exception, he repeats "mostly" based on his own translation. one may argue that it may be necessary in context - which in principle i do not disagree. yes, in context, we need to insert extra words - but my contention is that it is not only unnecessary HERE, rather it is a deliberate distortion intended to deceive. which we will come to later. but the main mas'alah is not his deception or distortion. according to him: there is nothing about the "crow species" it "all boils down to the diet." ---- and he adds his own spin on this. pay attention to this statement because this is how he misleads, by 'citing' sources. he sets the narrative and then cites sources to fit his explanation. he repeats this after citing the snippet from sharh hidayah of atqani. (if i had made such a silly error, zameel would waste 2000 words on how i did not know it was atqani and how knowing that it is atqani makes one understand the text better. just saying). the above is zameel's own interpretation. and he repeats the key component of his argument: "the entire ruling hinges on the bird's diet." and cleverly, he emphasises this by underplaying the carrion part: "They also consume carrion, which is impure. However..." ==== so he says "most crows are halal to eat". bunch of juhala - who do not even know how to approach the problem.
it is more important for the zindiq to get his aqidah corrected first and become a muslim, then he can pontificate on hanafi fiqh. even if he rants and raves for a thousand years, ilm and fiqh will not go below his throat. he thinks: picking snippets from fiqh books makes him a faqih. that is what it has come down to these days with the easy availability of texts, people delude themselves that pasting from a pdf makes them an allamah! anyway, we will make him eat crow. after all that is the destiny of devbandis. nas'alu Allah al afiyah. but you will see that the zindiq will go away as if nothing has happened and continue to peddle his half-baked knowledge. he will not have the shame to eat crow and roll back his ignorant piece. --- alahazrat's risalah - daf' e zaygh e zaagh was not be answered by the blind rashid gangohi; who was scared to even attempt a reply. modern followers are even more insignificant. padhi hai andhay ko aadat kay shorbay hi say khaay bateyr haath na aayi toh zaagh lay ka chalay. --- but crow, he must eat. in sha'Allah wa bi tawfiqihi
