devbandi debates from 100 years

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  1. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    This is their latest upload explaining why they took it down
  2. Mohamed Shah Qadri

    Mohamed Shah Qadri Active Member

    The dobbies deleted the video....very suspicious.
  3. Mohamed Shah Qadri

    Mohamed Shah Qadri Active Member

    That is rather strange especially since sheikh Foudah is a strong critic of Ibn Taymiya and wahabism in general. This is rather contradictor as sheikh foudah is an Ash'ari and Wahabis consider Ash'aris as Kafr. Deo-Dobbies are strange creatures...almost mutated hybrids....very they respect both Sudais of Saud and Sheikh Yaqoubi saheb at the same time....the hypocrisy is extreme o_O
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    don't go away, there is more to say. in sha'Allah wa bi tawfiqih.

    however, it is this thing that i warned shaykh asrar about. unless devbandis don't publish their criticism and we examine that, there is no point in a verbal munazarah. it will be more of such idiotic arguments by the blind followers of deoband...
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2018
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  5. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    To be honest I do not see much benefit in approaching Arab scholars on this issue unless if any of the contentious issues are written in Arabic. The crux of the issue is the statements written by the deo elders in Urdu, so at best an Arab scholar is relying on a translation which may or may not incorporate the necessary nuances of the statements.
    Secondly, the deo propaganda in the Arab world and the profileration of their 'Sunni' literature will not be easily forgotten by Arab scholars and I think it will not result in the desired outcome.
    We are better off using the expertise of our Indo/Pak scholars like Allama Saeed Asad (some of his teacher's statements might be brought up by the deos) because he has the style and temprament to compliment Shaykh Asrar.
    Unbiased and objective Arab scholars judging issues that require one to know the intracicies of the Urdu language is unlikely to bring about a satisfactory result.
    Scholars from both sides need to step outside deference to particular personalities (like Shaykh Asrar is willing to do) and be objective in their arguments and analysis in order to resolve the issue.
  6. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    Dropping the name Deoband (from Ahlus Sunnah Deoband), locking up the infamous books, not referencing their scholars post-1860*, refuting the Frankenstein punk and making Aqidah Tahawiyyah their manifesto is a good start (for Deobandies).

    I would add: stop spreading lies regarding Alahazrat and Sunnis, refute the Frankenstein known as Tariq Jameel, stop producing any more Frankensteins, learn to speak the truth and be men with integrity (rather than running away when asked about the blunders and mistakes of your contemporary scholars), actually learn Aqidah Tahawiyyah and stop attributing flaws and weaknesses and physical descriptions to Allah ta'ala......

    If they don't change their aqidah - then I would prefer they keep the name Deoband so that it is easier to avoid them!

    * I think that's what he said?
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  7. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    My recommendation is to add Shaykh Muhammad ibn Alawi's son as well as Shaykh Sa`id Foudah as judges

    I guess the reason as-Shaykh Dr. Nur al-Din Itr was chosen along with Shaykh Muhammad Awwama is for neutrality's sake.
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2018
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  8. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

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  9. Mohamed Shah Qadri

    Mohamed Shah Qadri Active Member

    They should add Sheikh Saeed Foudah and sheikh Jameel Sheikh Foudah is a staunch Ashari and Halim is also strong against the wahabi movement....additionally the son of Muhammad Alawi al maliki al makki is still alive...maybe Sheikh Asrar should alsk get someone from the katthani family.
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  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    abdu'l fattah abu ghuddah was biased - not just against sunnis of india, but also against previous sunni ulama, like the subkis (this, i suppose in his love of ibn taymiyyah).
    i have read a number of books with his notes, and he comes across as a closet wahabi, who just cannot openly admit it.

    frankly, i don't like him. he was certainly influenced by deobandis and bad company has its effects. if the fire won't burn you, the smoke will blacken your clothes and make you smelly.

    la Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.
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  11. Mohamed Shah Qadri

    Mohamed Shah Qadri Active Member

    Sheikh Asrars response
  12. Juwayni

    Juwayni Veteran

    Deeper than that. For the past while the Rafidis over at the "Bayat e Ghadeer" YouTube channel have been attacking the deos for their blasphemous statements and Imkan Al Kidhb. These deos in particular were the ones who responded. They probably thought if they dealt with these objections by putting the Barelvis on the defensive for their Imam, it would reframe how the public sees this issue.

    As a matter of strategy, we need to establish that this is an attempt at false equivalency. I also have an feeling they think they might curry favour with the "sidis" by quoting Keller's misinterpretation of Imam Subki.

    We can't have any blunders, we need our best and brightest on this.
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  13. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    lols, akabir worshipping.

    So, will the jughead acknowledge that they refute wahabiyyah in the UK because that position suits them there, and deoband invites sudais and kiss his hands because that suits them in India, Numani wrote a book in defence of najdi because that was the need of time, and rashid and khalil refuted and condemned wahabiyyah because thay had to save their faces in front of ulama e Harmain, and clear the charges of wahabiism. If this is not hypocrisy then what else is?

    Also, what about Imam ibn Abideen, shaykh nabhani, shaykh zainy dahlan, shaykh barzanji rahmatullahi alaihim wa raDiAllahu anhum, and all the later sunni arab ulama who refuted wahabiyyah in the past and continue till todate, have they not read and listened to wahabiyyah? Have they been only reading and listening about wahabiyyah from indirect sources? what are those sources, the barailwies? Where they will count their defender keller?

    Hypocrisy prevails in deobandies whether they are old or new, It is their hallmark.
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2018
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  14. Alf

    Alf Active Member

    a deobandi's lesson on the art of hypocrisy and two-facedness(watch from 6:10 onwards).
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  15. Ibn Rida Safdar

    Ibn Rida Safdar New Member

    Agreed. The fact that they accepted Sarfaraz Khan to have been influenced with the Wahabi Takfir is not because they are fair-minded rather they seem to be under pressure to prove their sunniyat. The debate challenge reaction to Shaykh Asrar's rebuttals also seems to be have been caused by this complex.

    The deobandi messaged me again a while ago mentioning the above post here and sent a link to another article by Zameel. It is amusing to see that they seem to following this thread more keenly than the sunnis. Given the timing of this new post on barelwism.wordpress about their defence of their 4 elders, my speculation seems to be right that it's been done to get a reaction from people here. Although, they have challenged Shaykh Asrar for the debate, they seem to be scared of Abu Hasan : )
  16. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    Just reckless? while doing takfir of the entire ummah from the time of the sahabah riDwanullahi alaihim till now?

    Also, the halfwit mentioned their refutation of wahabiyyah, how shameless liars they are, they invite wahabi imams to deoband, and other madaris, render utmost respect to them as if they are their shuyuk of the top ranks. yet they claim they are against wahabiyyah.

    Again, the dullard mentions manzur na-maani, yet forgets that he wrote a book in defence of ibn abdulwahab najdi and took a complete u-turn in the book from the very clear and strict stance of his elder scholars like rashid and khalil, to gain benefits from the then polotical situations, only to get their share from petro-dollar to spread whabiyyat.
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  17. Ibn Rida Safdar

    Ibn Rida Safdar New Member

    I was recently forwarded this link by one of Zameel's friend. We had a discussion last month on the topic whether deobandis and Shah Ismail Dehlvi were influenced from the dawah of MIAW Najdi. Whilst discussing Istighatha, I had refuted his understanding of the word 'Istiqlal' from their own deobandi scholars and I quoted one of Muzammil's article (Zameel's pseudonym?) on where the stance of Murtaza Chandpuri is mentioned.

    Now that article has been deleted by deobandis. ; ) Here is the broken link. So, I would suggest you to keep your refutations on hold till the debate or else, they will simply delete the article and take note of your arguments before the debate. If you wish to go ahead with it, make sure you save the screenshots of the original article.

    PS: The debate was fruitful and he agreed that certain deobandi scholars like Sarfaraz Khan Safdar, the 'Pride of Deoband', were reckless in their Takfir where they labeled Istigatha without the belief of 'istiqlal' as Kufr.
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2018
  18. Mohamed Shah Qadri

    Mohamed Shah Qadri Active Member


    This might be the invitation AlaHazrat RA sent to Thanvi for a public meeting.
  19. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    The dimwit says that they have not initiated anything against ahlussunah for the sake of the bigger picture, for the sake of the grand scheme of things, and the grand scheme of things is the qadyaniyah. .., and then he mentions manzur na-maani at the end. The dolt does not know that manzur na-maani considered brailvies a greater fitnah than here, and he acknowledged a forged publication saif un naqi from deoband.

    naya bachcha hay, wants some marketing.
  20. Mohamed Shah Qadri

    Mohamed Shah Qadri Active Member

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